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    The link between Mind and Social / Environmental-Issues.

    The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems besides destroying the environment. All issues are interlinked. Our Minds cannot be peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be peaceful if we destroy Nature.

    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment.

    Subject : In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
    Subject : A thinking mind cannot feel.
    Subject : Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys the planet.
    Subject : Environment can never be saved as long as cities exist.


    Emotion is what we experience during gaps in our thinking.

    If there are no gaps there is no emotion.

    Today people are thinking all the time and are mistaking thought (words/ language) for emotion.


    When society switches-over from physical work (agriculture) to mental work (scientific/ industrial/ financial/ fast visuals/ fast words ) the speed of thinking keeps on accelerating and the gaps between thinking go on decreasing.

    There comes a time when there are almost no gaps.

    People become incapable of experiencing/ tolerating gaps.

    Emotion ends.

    Man becomes machine.


    A society that speeds up mentally experiences every mental slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

    A ( travelling )society that speeds up physically experiences every physical slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

    A society that entertains itself daily experiences every non-entertaining moment as Depression / Anxiety.


    Fast visuals/ words make slow emotions extinct.

    Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys emotional circuits.

    A fast (large) society cannot feel pain / remorse / empathy.

    A fast (large) society will always be cruel to Animals/ Trees/ Air/ Water/ Land and to Itself.



    I am trying to get the following experiment conducted in a psychophysiology/ bio-chemistry laboratory.

    There is a link between visual / verbal speed ( in perception, memory,
    imagery ) and the bio-chemical state of the brain and the body.

    Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual and verbal processing
    associated with the emotion slows down ( stops / freezes ).

    The degree of difficulty of an emotion depends upon the degree of
    freezing (of visuals and words ) required to intensify and sustain that
    particular emotion.


    Experiment:

    Subjects (preferably actors specialising in tragedy / tragic roles )
    will be asked to watch a silent video film showing any of the
    following:-

    (1) Human suffering.
    (2) Animal suffering.
    (3) Suffering ( Destruction ) of Air / Water / Land / Trees.

    Subjects will be asked to intensify and sustain the subjective feeling of pain/ grief for the sufferer.

    The chemical changes associated with the emotion in the body(blood) would be measured by appropriate methods.

    The silent video film will be shown at different speeds :
    (1) 125% of actual speed.
    (2) Actual/real speed.
    (3) 75% of actual speed.
    (4) 50% of actual speed.
    (5) 25% of actual speed.


    Results :

    (1) Intensity of emotion increases with the decrease in visual speed.
    (2) Intensity of emotion is maximum when visual speed is minimum (25%
    of actual speed)
    (3) The amount of chemical change associated with the emotion in the
    body(blood) will be found to increase with the decrease in visual speed.
    (4) The chemical change is maximum when visual speed is minimum.
    (5) The amount of chemical change will increase with the decrease in
    breathing rate. Breathing becomes so slow and non-rhythmic that it stops
    for some time at the inhalation/ exhalation stages.

    The above co-relations will be valid for all subjects -even for those who cannot feel pain/ grief. Such subjects will experience emotion associated with boredom/ discomfort/ restlessness/ irritability/ uneasiness. The chemicals released will be different but the co-relation between visual speed and amount of chemical will be same( the breathing rates will be different/ fast). All subjects will experience some kind of emotion.

    [If scientists can discover 4000 different chemicals in cigarette-smoke then they can certainly detect the few chemicals released in blood when weexperience higher-level emotions like pain, empathy, compassion, remorse etc… ]

    In the 2nd stage of experiment we shall replace the silent video film with a Narrator ( Audio only ) and repeat the procedure thereby establishing the link between intensity of emotion and verbal speed. The narrator will slow down verbal speed by-- speaking slowly, stretching words, repetition of words/ sentences & making use of
    pause/ silence between words.

    Please note:
    (1) A thinking mind cannot intensify / sustain any emotion.
    While this statement is generally true for all emotions, it is particularly true for all painful emotions.

    (2) Pain / remorse / empathy cannot be experienced in a society in which visual (verbal) speed and breathing- rates are fast . It is impossible.


    PROOF.
    Proof of the link between pain and slow visuals / words :-

    In the last century man has made thousands of movies / films on various
    themes / subjects. Whenever pain / tragedy is shown in any film the
    visuals ( scenes ) and words ( dialogues ) are always slowed down. In
    many films tragedy is shown in slow motion. At the most intense moment
    of pain the films almost become static / stationary.

    Tragedy-films provide direct proof / evidence of the link between pain
    and slowness.

    Pain can intensify / sustain only when visual ( and verbal ) speed slows
    down( stops/ freezes).


    Change in visual speed over the years.

    One thousand years ago visuals would change only when man physically
    moved himself to a new place or when other people ( animals / birds )
    and objects ( clouds / water ) physically moved themselves before him.

    Today man sits in front of TV / Computer and watches the rapidly
    changing visuals / audio.

    He sits in a vehicle ( car / train / bus ) and as it moves he watches
    the rapidly changing visuals.

    He turns the pages of a book / newspaper / magazine and sees many
    visuals / text in a short span.


    Change in verbal speed over the years.

    In ancient times verbal processing was “live” in nature—ie it happened when people actually spoke.
    Today there is non-stop verbal processing inside the mind through print and electronic media ( newspapers, books, magazines, radio, television, computer etc…) as a result of which the verbal content & speed has increased thousands of times.


    The speed of visuals ( and words ) has increased so much during the last
    one hundred years that today the human brain has become incapable of
    focussing on slow visuals /words through perception, memory, imagery.

    If we cannot focus on slow visuals / words we cannot experience emotions associated with slow visuals /words.



    Before the advent of Industrial Revolution Man's thinking was primarily
    limited to :

    (a) visual processing ( slow visuals )
    (b) verbal / language processing ( slow words )

    Today there are many kinds of fast thinking :

    (1) visual processing ( fast visuals )
    (2) verbal / language processing ( fast words )
    (3) Scientific / Technical thinking ( fast )
    (4) Industrial thinking ( fast )
    (5) Business thinking ( fast )

    (3), (4) & (5) are associated with Numbers / Symbols / Equations /
    Graphs /Circuits / Diagrams / Money / Accounting etc…

    As long as the mind is doing this kind of thinking it cannot feel any
    emotion - not an iota of emotion.

    In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
    In a thinking ( scientific / industrial ) society emotion itself becomes extinct.

    Emotion is what remains in the mind when visual/ verbal processing slows down (stops/ freezes)


    There are certain categories of people who feel more emotion (subjective experience ) than others.

    If we attempt to understand why (and how ) they feel more emotion we can learn a lot about emotion.

    Writers, poets, actors, painters ( and other artists )

    Writers
    Writers do verbal ( and associated visual) processing whole day- every day.
    They do slow verbal ( and associated visual) processing every day.
    (A novel that we read in 2 hours might have taken 2 years to write. This is also the reason why the reader can never feel the intensity & duration of emotion experienced by the writer )

    Poets
    Poets do verbal ( and associated visual ) processing whole day- every day. There is more emotion in poetry than in prose. This happens because there are very few words ( and associated visuals ) in poetry than in any other kind of writing. There is a very high degree of freezing / slowing down of visuals & words in poetry.

    Actors
    Actors do verbal ( and associated visual ) processing whole day- every day. During shooting / rehearsal they repeat the dialogues ( words ) again and again ( the associated visuals / scenes also get repeated along with the dialogues )

    Painters
    Painters do visual ( and associated verbal ) processing whole day- every day. They do extremely slow visual processing - The visual on the canvas changes only when the painter adds to what already exists on the canvas.


    There are some important points to be noted :

    All these people do visual & verbal processing - whole day - every day.
    They do slow visual & verbal processing.
    They do not do scientific / industrial / business processing whole day - every day.

    Most of the city people doing mental work either do this kind of mental processing which is associated with Numbers / Symbols/ Equations / Graphs / Circuits / Diagrams / Money / Accounting etc… or they do fast visual ( verbal ) processing whole day - every day.

    This kind of thinking ( processing ) has come into existence only during the last 200 years and has destroyed our emotional ability ( circuits ).


    Once we speed up our minds we become incapable of slowing down [it would take years of effort to slow down]. One can understand it this way - A supercomputer cannot process at the rate of an ordinary computer. Once we speed up [and we have been speeding up for several generations now] we cannot slow down because the neural circuits get altered - the bio-chemistry of the brain and its anatomy changes.



    Self-Assessment of ( subjective ) intensity of emotion is almost always wrong.

    Suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of a particular emotion that
    can be experienced by any human being is 100 units.

    Let us suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of that particular emotion ever
    experienced by two people A & B in their entire life is :
    A - 100units
    B - 20 units

    Now suppose A & B are made subjects on a particular day and are asked
    to feel that particular emotion under experimental conditions ( or
    outside the laboratory ) and the intensity &duration they actually experience is :

    A - 90 units
    B - 18 units

    If A & B are then asked to indicate the intensity &duration of emotion on a scale
    of 0 -10 their response is likely to be ;

    A - 9
    B - 9

    Who is right and who is wrong ?
    A is right.
    B is wrong - B is wrong by a wide margin - B has experienced an
    intensity(and duration) of 18 units out of a maximum of 100 units and his correct / actual score should be 1.8

    Self- assessment ( self rating ) can be accurate only if people have
    the capacity to experience the highest intensity &duration ( units ) of the
    particular emotion under study.



    In small(slow)agriculture-based societies the mind used to experience a state of emotion all the time because of physical work and slow visual/verbal processing . People who do physical work experience the same good subjective-feeling which is experienced by people who do physical excercise. [People who do physical work also sleep much better than people who do mental work - the quality of sleep is much better]. If we read one thousand-year-old literature we will not come across the term "boredom" - the concept of boredom did not exist in slow societies. There were long gaps between different visuals and between words/ sentences - and people had the ability to experience/ tolerate the gaps - it was normal for them.

    Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual / verbal processing slows down ( stops / freezes ). In an Industrial (thinking) society people experience very little emotion because of fast ( visual / verbal / scientific / industrial / business ) thinking.

    Suppose the maximum intensity and duration of a particular emotion ( for most people ) in a fast society has reduced to 5 units ( from 100 units that people used to experience in earlier /slower societies ).

    If such people experience 4 units of emotion they will give themselves a
    rating /score of 8 on a scale of 0-10 whereas their actual score should
    be 0.4


    [Please note :
    Fast emotions =emotions associated with fast visuals/fast words/fast breathing/fast heart-rate.
    Slow emotions=emotions associated with slow visuals/slow words/slow breathing/slow heart-rate.
    Rate of thinking=number of visuals/words processed per minute.
    Gaps between thinking =gaps between visuals/ words/ sentences.]


    Thoughts and Emotions are interlinked - but different things - totally/ completly different.

    Words can be spoken - words can be read - words can be heard.

    Emotion is a subjective-experience. Other examples of subjective experience are taste, smell, touch, headache, stomach pain.

    One can understand the difference this way :

    When we eat an apple we can feel the taste of apple. Apple can give us the taste of apple - but apple is not taste.

    If we pour apple juice into a glass - the glass will not feel the taste - it does not have the ability to feel taste.

    If a person eats an apple he will feel the taste - because he has the ability to generate taste from apple.

    Words/ Visuals can evoke, intensify and sustain emotions - but words/ visuals are not emotions.



    In every field there is easy work/activity and difficult work/activity.

    In mathematics there is easy mathematics and difficult mathematics. Everyone can add 2+4 within microseconds. A PhD level problem of mathematics would take hours [or more] to solve - and that too only by someone who has spent 20 - 25 years learning mathematics upto PhD level.

    Same way in the field of emotions there are easy emotions and difficult emotions. Easy emotions are evoked within nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds - anger, lust, fear, pleasure, entertainment and excitement are some examples. These emotions are associated with fast breathing and heart-rate. These emotions don"t require gaps between thinking to evoke, intensify and sustain. These are the emotions that can be found everywhere in today's fast society.

    Then there are difficult emotions - which require ability and years of effort to develop - emotions associated with pain, compassion and peaceful states of mind are some examples. These emotions are associated with slow breathing and heart-rate. These emotions require freezing of thought - freezing of visuals and words - huge amounts of gaps between thinking - to evoke, intensify and sustain.


    The experiments I have proposed are primarily meant for those people who understand only the language of science. We don't need experiments to understand that our present lifestyle is destroying our Minds and Environment - the evidence is everywhere - left, right and center. The craze and fetish for science and scientific proof has mainly existed for the last 50 - 100 years. People have lived on this planet for thousands of years without needing scientific proof to understand something. It is Science and Technology that created the consumerist Industrial Society which has led to the destruction of Mind and Nature/ Environment. Who needs more science or more scientific proof. Science is not the solution - Science is the problem.


    IQ Vs EQ

    IQ always has an element of change in it – IQ is about trying to make/ discover/ invent something new all the time.
    Change is an inherent feature of IQ.
    IQ is also about thinking more in less time—it involves speeding up of mind. Someone who does more mathematics in less time is considered more intelligent in mathematics. IQ is about change and speed.

    EQ is about sustainment of the same feeling/experience over a period of time. When we experience any higher-level emotion for 10 minutes we experience the same feeling( subjective experience) over and over again for 10 minutes.
    The( same) feeling can sustain only if there is Repetition.
    EQ involves Repetition—Constancy—Sameness.

    IQ and EQ are contradictory.
    IQ and EQ are opposites.
    IQ and EQ are inversely proportional.



    (1) A thinking species destroys the planet.
    (2) Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
    without destroying nature.
    (3) They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was
    limited to searching for food for one time only.
    (4) Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand
    years / a few hundred years.
    (5) Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
    (6) This destruction took place because of Man's thinking.
    (7) When man thinks he makes things.
    (8) When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land.
    ( Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature ).

    (9) A thinking species destroys the planet.



    Intelligence Is A Curse.

    This planet is on the verge of total destruction.

    The cause of destruction is – overactivity.
    [Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]

    The cause of overactivity is – Intelligence.
    [The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]

    Intelligence is a curse - a disease - a disability - an abnormality.

    Intelligence is the biggest cause/ source of destruction in this world.

    [In fact Intelligence is the only cause of destruction in this world other than natural causes]



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    Quote Originally Posted by sushil_yadav
    A thinking mind cannot feel.
    This little hypothesis is ridiculous, and that makes your entire theory fall apart. I don't have to stop my inner monologue to feel an emotion in connection with that monologue. I don't have to take time off to develop a reaction. Which is good, since my inner monologue never shuts the hell up - if this theory was true, I'd be a friggin' robot.

    Please explain to me exactly why people can't think and feel at the same time. Seriously. I'd love to hear it.
    "If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
    - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    A thinking mind cannot feel.
    Why not? I feel emotion when im thinking.
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    well thats a bit of a turn-off .
    I come and go but as long as CT is on here, there needs be an antichrist to oppose his wonder ;) x

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    The arguments presented here are total BS.

    Emotions in gaps between thinking? WTF??!?
    Industrial society having something to do with our emotions?!? WTF (2)???

    Read the above: I clearly felt emotions while thinking about what to write here. I rest my case. Have a good day.


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    Thanks dutchie- I will! In the meantime, can we PLEASE get back to reality- hell if dutchie hadn't of kicked us in the right direction, god kows where wed be now!
    I come and go but as long as CT is on here, there needs be an antichrist to oppose his wonder ;) x

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    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    There was some discussion about Thoughts and Emotions and the statement "A thinking mind cannot feel" in this thread. Here is the clarification.


    Thoughts and Emotions are interlinked - but different things - totally/ completly different.

    Words can be spoken - words can be read - words can be heard. Visuals can be seen

    Emotion is a subjective-experience. Other examples of subjective experience are taste, smell, touch, headache, stomach pain.

    One can understand the difference this way :

    When we eat an apple we can feel the taste of apple. Apple can give us the taste of apple - but apple is not taste.

    If we pour apple juice into a glass - the glass will not feel the taste - it does not have the ability to feel taste.

    If a person eats an apple he will feel the taste - because he has the ability to generate taste from apple.

    Words/ Visuals can evoke, intensify and sustain emotions - but words/ visuals are not emotions.



    In every field there is easy work/activity and difficult work/activity.

    In mathematics there is easy mathematics and difficult mathematics. Everyone can add 2+4 within microseconds. A PhD level problem of mathematics would take hours [or more] to solve - and that too only by someone who has spent 20 - 25 years learning mathematics upto PhD level.

    Same way in the field of emotions there are easy emotions and difficult emotions. Easy emotions are evoked within nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds - anger, lust, fear, pleasure, entertainment and excitement are some examples. These emotions are associated with fast breathing and heart-rate. These emotions don"t require gaps between thinking to evoke, intensify and sustain. These are the emotions that can be found everywhere in today's fast society.

    Then there are difficult emotions - which require ability and years of effort to develop - emotions associated with pain, compassion and peaceful states of mind are some examples. These emotions are associated with slow breathing and heart-rate. These emotions require freezing of thought - freezing of visuals and words - huge amounts of gaps between thinking - to evoke, intensify and sustain.


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    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    Man can repair and restore things that have been made by man himself. Car, Computer, Aeroplane, Rocket - if anything goes wrong with these things man can repair and restore.

    Man cannot repair and restore Nature/ Environment - because man did not make Nature/ Environment. Once a Forest is destroyed - it is gone for millions of years. One cannot create a Forest in 5 or 50 years - it takes millions of years to make a forest - containing millions of species of animals, insects, birds, plants and trees. Man can create a plantation in 5 or 50 years - not a forest.

    The only way to save Environment is by not destroying it - leave it alone - leave it undisturbed. If you destroy Environment you cannot repair and restore it.


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    Even if you little theory about a thinking mind cannot feel is true.
    ( Wish i sincerely doubt. Since i can talk myself into crying, love and laughter.)

    Your forgetting that modern civilisation is actually calming down.
    Most of our thought intensive jobs have been simplified or even replaced entirely by computers. Taking enough rest and relaxation has become the best interest of both the worker and employee. And our work hours are slowly diminishing.

    And even if we don't come to the right conclusions in our off hours. Our body has an internal backup system to deal with these kind of problems. And warns us in our dreams.

    So I doubt that your theory explains why humanity is ruining the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sushil_yadav View Post
    Man can repair and restore things that have been made by man himself. Car, Computer, Aeroplane, Rocket - if anything goes wrong with these things man can repair and restore.

    Man cannot repair and restore Nature/ Environment - because man did not make Nature/ Environment. Once a Forest is destroyed - it is gone for millions of years. One cannot create a Forest in 5 or 50 years - it takes millions of years to make a forest - containing millions of species of animals, insects, birds, plants and trees. Man can create a plantation in 5 or 50 years - not a forest.

    The only way to save Environment is by not destroying it - leave it alone - leave it undisturbed. If you destroy Environment you cannot repair and restore it.
    This is not true, you should see my back yard after a week. The grass is above my ankle. A friend just returned from a trip through a forest that was burnt 3 years ago, and the growth is over whelming.

    Man did not make the enviroment, but man can replace certain aspects of it. Although, we need to stop building and let nature takes its course. Stop spreading out and take up every inch of dirt. But I am ok where I am, I just drove 600 miles and saw nothing but fields and livestock.

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    Sushil,

    First let me say, welcome to our forum.

    I don't support everything you've said, but the general ideas are correct. Our civilization is in grave jeopardy, but hardly anyone is willing to do anything to change it. Wealth corrupts those best able to, and the rest of the planet doesn't have the energy to change, because they're either starving or under totalitarian rule.

    I don't see a solution, except for a supernatural one, and it is coming. It's already begun. The earth will be cleansed by fire of almost everything living, and then it will be repopulated again under a Sovereign with the strength to make everything new again, continually.
    "In the last days perilous times will come, for men shall have a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof." 2 Tim 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by sushil_yadav
    Intelligence is a curse - a disease - a disability - an abnormality.

    Intelligence is the biggest cause/ source of destruction in this world.

    [In fact Intelligence is the only cause of destruction in this world other than natural causes]
    Bullshit! this guy has real IQ problems!

    wtf? did Einstein lack emotions?
    wtf? was Nostradamus bad because he offered people medicine during the plague?
    wtf? was the telescope an "instrument of evil"
    wtf? is knowledge, which is assimilated through LOGICAL THINKING, evil?
    wtf? is the paper evil?
    wtf? is the pencil evil just because you can stab someone with it?

    this wasn't in the article, but are some examples. intelligence is not evil... people are evil... yes, many people say that, but IT IS true. INTELLIGENCE can be used as a weapon. yes indeed. but it's not weapons that kill people, it's people that kill other people.

    instead of killing someone else, you can just practice, increase the range, use different weapons, locations, types of targets, test new models. the same thing applies with intelligence. you can engage in competitions, wargames, and still make sure that the guy you're confronting remains alive.

    yes! you can use a technique, get close to the point of execution, but then tell him how you did that, without hurting him in any way. this way he'll improve too, and make the competition really hard... oh... yes! PEOPLE like the easy way! they like to be in control, and that's all. that's why people are evil

    the evil practically cancels intelligence
    the conclusion?

    evil =/= intelligence

    intelligence = good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor Witness View Post
    Sushil,

    First let me say, welcome to our forum.

    I don't support everything you've said, but the general ideas are correct. Our civilization is in grave jeopardy, but hardly anyone is willing to do anything to change it. Wealth corrupts those best able to, and the rest of the planet doesn't have the energy to change, because they're either starving or under totalitarian rule.

    I don't see a solution, except for a supernatural one, and it is coming. It's already begun. The earth will be cleansed by fire of almost everything living, and then it will be repopulated again under a Sovereign with the strength to make everything new again, continually.
    Raptor Witness,

    Thanks for your comment. You are right - we are speeding up on a one way road to disaster.

    Our planet can provide food - not consumer goods.

    When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

    It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning.

    Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

    Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

    Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

    Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

    When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

    When consumer goods are recycled hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

    Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


    Life was never good in the past.

    Life will never be good in future.

    Life can never be good.


    Suffering is a part of life - an inherent feature of life. Suffering can never be eliminated.

    There is Physical suffering - There is Mental suffering.

    In pre-industrial society there were physical diseases caused by virus and bacteria.
    In modern society there are hundreds of lifestyle related physical diseases - Cancer, Stroke, Diabetes, Obesity, Multiple Organ Failures.


    Mental suffering will always exist. It exists in agrarian society. It exists in industrial society. As soon as we stop working we experience mental suffering.

    We avoid mental suffering by working ceaselessly.

    There is no higher purpose behind work.

    People do not work because they want to work.
    People work because they cannot stop working.

    The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

    Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]

    All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

    When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

    When we stop physical work and mental work the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes - they can stop work/activity only under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

    People do not work because they want to work.
    People do not work for their family.
    People do not work for their nation.
    People do not work for any reason.

    People work because they cannot stop working.

    It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

    For most people the choice is between physical and mental work.
    The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.

    Man can do the same physical work every day.
    Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

    When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.

    After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-- a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).

    Today 50% of world population - 3 bilion people are living in cities. The necessary work of growing/producing Food is being done outside cities - in villages and countryside. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things. The switch-over from Physical work to Mental work/ Desk job has led to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.

    When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.

    Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter - these are necessities.

    Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes - you will then know what necessity is.

    Stop drinking water for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

    Stop eating food for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

    Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods.

    Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals,Trees,Air,Water and Land] for makng unnecessary things[Consumer Goods].



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    For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.

    But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

    Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

    Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

    One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

    So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within the solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

    So when are we moving to a new home ?

    Next year - or 5 years later ?


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    Industrial Society is speeding up the demise of ecosystems by providing jobs to all - education to all.

    After Industrial Revolution work turned into extra work, over work, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    Most of the people living in cities are engaged in the destructive cycle of
    production of consumer goods, selling of consumer goods, buying of
    consumer goods.This planet is very small - just 40,000 km in
    circumference. Today 50% of world population is living in cities - and
    this percentage is increasing day by day.

    Provide jobs to all?
    Provide education to all? - oh yes, provide jobs/education to all and
    very soon the human species will go out of existence.

    The entire education system is promoting consumerism, extra work, over work, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    People who are getting education in technology/ engineering.... are engaged in production of consumer goods.

    People who are getting education in the fields of business, finance, MBA....are engaged in selling of consumer goods.

    Most of the people getting education in Arts subjects are also engaged in
    selling of consumer goods and services - sales and marketing jobs.

    If we destroy ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter, health-care the ecosystems will last longer. If we destroy ecosystems for consumer goods in addition to food, clothing, shelter, health-care the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

    Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water,land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

    By providing jobs to all - education to all, Industrial Society is destroying the very things that created and sustained all life on earth for millions of years.

    Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.



    What would happen to your home if 1000 people entered and started doing work continuously - 24 X 7 - picking up things already lying in the house, breaking them up and making new things out of them without stopping?

    A similar thing is happening to the planet - 6.8 billion people
    continuously engaging in work - destroying the ecosystems moment by
    moment.

    Man started destroying "extra" after Industrial Revolution. This "extra"
    destruction has risen exponentially in the last 50 years.

    Work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work. People who are working to provide food, clothing, shelter and healthcare are doing work - rest of the population is engaged in overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

    Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured / created by MultiNational Corporations. Who can undo the damage that has been done to ecosystems by billions of people over a period of 200 - 250 years?



    Industrial Society has killed billions of acres of fertile soil by covering it with cement and concrete.This is insanity of the highest degree - insanity raised to the power of infinity.We
    have got a very small planet. On this small planet two-thirds of
    surface area is water. Only one-third is land - and this includes vast
    areas of land that are not fertile - deserts, rocky
    mountains, ice/ glaciers. There is very little surface area on
    earth which is fertile. It is this fertile soil that has produced food
    for millions of species that have lived on land for millions of years. Killing billions of acres of fertile soil is insanity of the highest degree - insanity raised to the power of infinity.The punishment is coming - very soon - punishment of the highest degree - punishment raised to the power of infinity.



    "Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Green Development".

    These are contradictory terms these are oxymorons.
    Industrialization can never be green it is impossible.

    Industry produces three kinds of waste - solid, liquid and gaseous.

    There are only three places on earth where this waste can go - air, water, land.

    There is no fourth place on earth where Industrial waste can go.

    Industrial Society has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste - billions of tonnes of metal waste, chemical waste, plastic waste, eWaste, nuclear waste.........

    This waste has killed, polluted and poisoned rivers, lakes, oceans, underground water, the soil/ land, the air/ sky.

    Industrialization can never be green it is impossible.



    Governments and Law Enforcement Agencies have labelled a few Environmentalists as EcoTerrorists.

    What are the charges against Environmental Activists? - Destruction of property? - endangering human life?

    The Military Industrial Complex is doing much more damage to property -
    it is going around carpet bombing entire countries - flattening entire
    countries. The Military Industrial Complex is endangering much more
    human life - it is actually killing - killing millions in War/ Violence
    - directly or indirectly.

    Who is the real Terrorist? - Environmentalists or Industrial Society?

    The human race has been destroying/ killing animals, trees, air,
    water, land and people from the very beginning of civilization. Science and Technology has increased this destructive capacity millions of times.

    Every citizen of Industrial Society is using hundreds/ thousands of consumer goods.

    Every consumer good is made by killing animals, trees, air, water and land - directly or indirectly. [ more killing of nature takes place when consumer goods are used and discarded]

    The per capita killing of animals, trees, air, water and land in
    Industrial Society is hundreds of times/ thousands of times greater
    than that of pre-industrial society.

    Every citizen of Industrial Society is a serial killer - serial killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

    Those who produce consumer goods are killers.

    Those who sell consumer goods are killers.

    Those who buy consumer goods are killers.

    Before Industrialization humans killed Environment primarily for Food, Clothing & Shelter. After industrialization humans are killing environment for Food, Clothing & Shelter plus [thousands of unnecessary] Consumer Goods.

    Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things[Consumer Goods].

    The Military Industrial Complex/ Industrial Society
    has killed millions of people in War/ Violence. It has decimated all
    plant and animal species. It has destroyed all ecosystems. It has
    polluted and poisoned the Sky, Land and Oceans. It has raped and
    plundered "Mother Earth" in the name of Progress and Development.

    The crimes of Industrial Society are millions of times greater than the crimes of Environmentalists.

    Comparing the crimes of Environmentalists with the crimes of Industrial Society is like comparing the Lamp with the Sun.

    The entire Industrial Society is a Terrorist.

    Science and Technology is the Terrorist.

    Military Industrial Complex is the Terrorist.
    Culture of Consumerism - culture of making, buying and selling is
    the Terrorist. Consumerism kills ecosystems - Consumerism is the
    biggest act of violence against nature.


    We have created a society that rapes, plunders and exploits "Mother Earth" 365 days of the year - and then celebrates Earth Day.

    When someone destroys the home of a human being it is considered a crime and the accused is sent to prison.

    When the human species collectively destroys the homes [ecosystems] of millions of other species it is called Progress, Growth, Development.

    The police, the law, the judiciary are trying to catch a few criminals - they do not realize the entire Industrial Society is criminal.

    Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal - they do not realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.



    What is most amazing about the issue of sustainability is the fact that modern society is trying to sustain the unsustainable - it is trying to sustain a consumerist system which has existed for almost zero percent of human existence on earth. The present consumerist lifestyle has existed for about 100 years. If we com...pare this with the total duration of human existence on earth it comes to almost zero percent.

    The two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism.

    Science, Technology and Industrialization are responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly. In the absence of "Industrial Agriculture" the feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control. If Industrial Revolution had not happened, environmental destruction due to production of consumer goods would not exist. In the absence of Science, Technology and "Industrial Revolution" we would not be facing the two problems that have caused destruction of ecosystems - overpopulation and overconsumerism.

    If "Industrial Revolution" had not happened what would be the scenario today?

    The feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control.

    Diseases caused by virus and bacteria would have kept population under control.

    Maybe I would'nt be existing today - and billions of others may not have existed - but millions/ billions of humans would exist [just like they existed before Industrialization]

    Most ecosystems would be hundreds of times/ thousands of times in better shape than today.

    Millions of other species that have been decimated by Industrial Society would be existing in very healthy numbers - their population levels thousands of times greater than what they are now.

    Providing food, clothing, shelter and healthcare is good. But did "Industrial Society" stop at that?

    Do we have an Industrial Society that only provides food, clothing, shelter and healthcare to people?

    No - the jokers tried to sell hundreds of consumer goods to all citizens of Industrial Society. They tried to make all people consumerists.

    Industrial Society started destroying ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to destroying them for food, clothing and shelter.

    You cannot do this on a small planet that is just 40,000 km in circumference. If you live this way you end up destroying all ecosystems - you end up decimating all other species - you end up destroying animals, trees, air, water and land - the very things that created and sustained all life on earth.



    The earth is sick.

    Ecosystems are dying.

    Animals, trees, air, water and land are dying.

    People say - why bother, it was meant to happen this way, nature will take care of itself.

    When people fall sick - they rush to the doctor to save themselves.

    When people fall sick - they rush to the hospital to save themselves.

    Insane, abnormal, selfish, criminal human species.



    Almost every country has been claiming its green cover is increasing.

    How can this ever be true?

    A fully grown tree is cut down in seconds/ minutes.

    It takes 20 years for a tree to grow fully.

    The rate of destruction of fully grown trees is hundreds of thousands
    of times greater than the rate of replacement of fully grown trees.

    And only a small percentage of trees that are planted survive to grow into healthy adult trees.

    And even if you manage to replace trees how are you going to replace
    the population of millions of species of animals, birds and insects
    that lived in the forest and died when the forest was cut down.

    Secondly where are you planting new trees? You can plant new trees on forest land only if forest land remains forest land.

    But this is not the case.

    We have got a very small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km.
    On this small planet two-thirds of surface area is water. Included in
    the remaining land area are deserts, rocky mountains and glaciers which
    do not support vegetation.

    If the soil is fertile and gets rain it will grow forests, trees,
    plants, vegetation by itself. This is how nature grew all the forests
    in this world.

    Before the arrival of man all the land that could grow forests had forests on it.

    Then the genius human species arrived on the scene.

    First he cut down forests for fire, then he cut down forests for
    agriculture and villages. After Industrial Revolution forests were cut
    down for towns and cities, for setting up industries/ factories, for
    mining and extraction of raw material/minerals, for railways, for road
    network.

    So once the forest is cut down the land is taken up for agriculture,
    for cattle grazing, for industry, for towns and cities, for rail and
    road network.

    So where are the new trees being planted? Where are they growing up?

    How can green cover ever increase?

    Lies, lies, lies .........blatant lies.

    The rate of destruction of forests has risen exponentially after Industrial Revolution.

    One can know the truth by looking at the satellite pictures of forests - before and after. One can compare the pictures taken 30 years ago with those taken this year.



    Why did God create the insane human species that is ready to do
    everything for the wrong cause and nothing for the right cause a
    species which is willing to do everything to destroy the ecosystems and
    nothing to save the ecosystems.

    Man is ready to kill and get killed for religion, for country, for honour, for power, for money and fame - But not for environment.

    Millions have been killed over trivial issues and causes.
    Millions have died for trivial issues and causes.

    How many people have died for environment? How many people have died for
    the most important / precious things on earth animals, trees, air,
    water and land the very things that created and sustained all life on
    earth.

    Most of the ecosystems are already gone. The
    little that remains is dying moment by moment. The situation is
    extremely critical but the human response is limited to the same old
    insanity bring this technology, bring that technology - bring this technology, bring that technology.

    Environmentalism has failed.
    Environmentalism never existed.
    It was Pseudo-Environmentalism all the way.


    When 3000 people died in World Trade Center collapse the west was outraged - Killers, Murderers, Terrorists - they cried out. America vowed to smoke out the culprits - attacked Afghanistan, flattened the country and killed hundreds of thousands of people [directly or indirectly].

    When American company "Union Carbide"... killed 20,000 people in Bhopal, India the same desire for justice was not shown by the west.

    Why? - Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

    There are hundreds of insecticides/ pesticides that are banned in western countries but the west is selling millions of tonnes of these chemicals in asia - leading to millions of deaths [directly or indirectly].

    Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

    The west is shipping millions of tonnes of toxic , hazardous waste to asian countries for recycling - leading to millions of deaths [directly or indirectly].

    Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?

    The Military Industrial Complex has killed millions of people in wars. No terrorist organization has killed that many people.

    Industry kills - Industry kills humans, Industry kills animals, Industry kills trees, Industry kills air, Industry kills water, Industry kills land.

    Industry is the killer - Industry is the murderer - Industry is the
    terrorist.



    Destruction of ecosystems will soon lead to collapse of Industrial Society.

    Humans have decimated millions of other species - very soon it will be the turn of Humans to get decimated.

    But even decimation of humans will not save ecosystems - only a total wipe-out of humans will save ecosystems.

    If a few million humans survive they will again try to build another Industrial Society because they have seen such a society.

    Only human extinction will work.

    When the human species appears again there must be no memory of Industrialization and consumerism left in the human brain.

    It would be best if the human species never ever appears on the planet again.


    This planet can only sustain societies that produce their own food.

    This planet cannot sustain societies that do not produce their own food.

    Everyone in this world is eating food.

    But everyone in this world is not producing food.

    Today 50% of world population is living in cities. This population is not producing food. A society that does not produce its own food creates unnecessary work to keep itself occupied. People would go crazy if this unnecessary work is not created. A city-based/ non-farming society is mostly engaged in production and selling of consumer goods and services. Work turns into over-work, extra work, destructive work.

    When society produces its own food it destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter.

    When society does not produce its own food it destroys ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing, shelter.

    Cities existed before Industrial Revolution but their destructive impact was very little because they were not producing consumer goods that are being made today.

    We can never save environment if we are destroying extra - We can never save environment if we destroy it for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    It is impossible to save environment as long as cities exist.

    It is impossible to save environment if we have societies that do not produce their own food.



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    Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only due to modern technology/ machines.

    In the absence of modern technology/ machines it would be impossible for man to destroy all ecosystems.

    If modern technology/ machines had not come into existence man would
    have probably destroyed some ecosystems on land [forests] - and that
    too at a much slower rate than that of the present Industrial Society.

    It would have been impossible for man to destroy ecosystems in the sea/ oceans.

    It would have been impossible for man to carry out largescale mining
    activity and destroy ecosystems on the surface and deep inside the
    earth.

    It would have been impossible for man to poison the earth with thousands of toxic chemicals.

    It would have been impossible for man to generate billions of tonnes of
    solid, liquid and gaseous waste that has poisoned the air, water and
    land - the entire planet.

    It would have been impossible for man to generate billions of tonnes of
    metal waste, plastic waste, eWaste, nuclear waste...... that has
    poisoned the entire planet.

    The Machine has killed all ecosystems.

    It is impossible to save the remaining ecosystems as long as the machine exists.

    The Machine will devour everything that remains on earth.

    Machine is the killer.

    Kill the machine.



    The shameless, insane, abnormal and criminal human species
    gets alarmed only when other species are about to go extinct not before. And
    even this late concern is fake - how could it ever be real.

    The crime happens much before extinction of species. The tragedy happens much
    before extinction of species.

    This planet was made for millions of species - not for man alone.

    The crime/ tragedy happened much earlier than extinction when man decimated all
    other species.

    The crime/ tragedy happened much earlier when the population of each species
    dropped from millions to thousands and hundreds.

    How would humans feel if the roles were reversed and the following happened.

    All the animals of the world join hands to decimate the human species.

    Humans are outraged , they cry out - killers, murderers, criminals, terrorists.

    The animals say - "what are you complaining about?".

    We are so compassionate - we did'nt kill all of you.

    You should be grateful that we did'nt make you extinct.

    There are 10 of you still alive on every continent.



    Jobs or Environment?

    Economy or Environment?

    These are the questions that are being asked today.

    This is insanity raised to the power of infinity.

    Do we need to discuss, debate and argue for 100 years to know the answer?

    Do we need to do research for 100 years to know the answer?

    What would be the response of this genius society if professional killers said - you should not stop us from killing people - if you do that you are taking away our jobs.

    Jobs are killing ecosystems, work is killing ecosystems, economy is killing ecosystems - work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, extra work, destructive work.

    Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [animals, trees, air, water, land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

    Without environment humans will not even exist.

    Without environment millions of other species will not exist.

    We are alive because of nature - we owe our very existence to nature.

    But this insane, abnormal and criminal "Industrial Society" continues to choose jobs instead of environment - economy instead of environment.

    Insanity raised to the power of infinity.



    Out of millions of species the human species is the only species which is insane enough to believe that food comes from money.

    Millions of other species have lived on earth for millions of years. Their food did not come from money.

    Food does not come from money - food comes from nature - food grows because of nature - food exists because of fertile soil, water, air, sunlight.......

    Industrial Society has killed, polluted, poisoned the very things that produce food.

    You can load trillions of dollars into a rocket and send it to the moon - you will not be able to buy a single grain of food over there.

    Money is paper, money is plastic - money is not food.

    Chief Seattle of the Indian Tribe had warned :

    "only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you realize that you cannot eat money"



    When is this insane society going to understand that it is not just Industrial accidents that destroy ecosystems - all Industrial activity destroys ecosystems.

    The Bhopal gas tragedy killed 20,000 people, crippled half a million people for life, killed thousands of animals and birds, killed/ polluted/ poisoned... the air, water and soil.

    Union Carbide was making pesticides/ insecticides in its plant. These carcinogenic insecticides and pesticides are killing millions of people all over the world every year - directly or indirectly. These toxic insecticides and pesticides are poisoning millions of acres of soil every year, These toxic insecticides and pesticides are killing millions of animals and birds every year. These toxic insecticides and pesticides are poisoning the underground and above-ground water sources. These toxic insecticides and pesticides have poisoned the entire food chain leading to multiple organ failure, genetic defects, birth defects.

    If the Bhopal Gas Tragedy had not happened the toxic insecticides and pesticides produced by Union Carbide would have still led to destruction of ecosystems, killing of humans, animals, birds, air, water and soil.


    Recently there was an oil spill in the sea in US. The oil is killing marine life.

    Oil kills ecosystems when it spills into the sea.

    Oil kills ecosystems even when it does'nt spill into the sea.

    If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to power ships that move around oceans - catching fish, killing marine life, torturing marine life moment by moment. At any given time there are 50,000 ships moving in the oceans.

    If the oil had not spilled it would have been used to run millions of cars, other vehicles, aeroplanes - whose exhausts would release millions of tonnes of toxic gases into the atmosphere. That is not all - ecosystems are killed to manufacture millions of cars, trucks, ships and aeroplanes that run on oil.

    If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to run millions of industries and factories - all of which kill ecosystems - animals, trees, air, water, land.


    When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

    It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

    Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

    Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

    Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

    Industries burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

    Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

    When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

    When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

    Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.

    Industrial Society has generated billions of tonnes of hazardous solid, liquid and gaseous waste - billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic
    waste, eWaste, chemical waste, nuclear waste.


    When an Industrial accident happens the focus of entire world shifts to it.

    All environmentalists are outraged.

    As if the environment was in good shape before the accident and will be in good shape after the accident.

    The problem is not Industrial accident -the problem is not any particular Industrial accident - the problem is Industry itself.

    Industrial accidents will continue to happen as long as Industry exists.

    They will only get bigger and bigger.

    Bigger the Industry bigger the Industrial accident.


    Industry kills ecosystems when there is an Industrial accident.

    Industry kills ecosystems even when there is no Industrial accident.

    All Industrial activity is an accident.

    All Industrial activity destroys ecosystems.

    All Industrial activity kills animals, trees, air, water, land.

    All Industrial activity leads to environmental crisis, environmental disaster, environmental catastrophe.

    It is impossible to save ecosystems as long as industry exists.




    Technology has destroyed ecosystems.

    But the Techno-Worshippers of this insane Industrial Society want still more technology, new technology, better technology, advanced technology - they claim that technology will save the ecosystems.

    Two thousand years ago the air was clean - it was not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial gases and particulate matter.

    Which technology made the air clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago the rivers and oceans were clean - they were not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial waste.

    Which technology made the water clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago the planet was full of forests - millions of species thrived - their population was hundreds and thousands of times greater than what it is now.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago the oceans were full of fish and other marine species.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste did not exist on this planet.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic waste, chemical waste, eWaste, nuclear waste did not exist on this planet.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?


    Technology does not save ecosystems - it is the absence of technology that saves ecosystems.

    Science, technology and industrialization lead to over-exploitation of ecosystems.

    Technology is not the saviour of ecosystems - technology is the destroyer of ecosystems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadav
    Every citizen of Industrial Society is a serial killer - serial killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

    Those who produce consumer goods are killers.

    Those who sell consumer goods are killers.

    Those who buy consumer goods are killers.
    What if the product being produced/consumed regrows trees?

    In many ways, industrialization has given humans more power to help one another.
    Everything has a dark side, of course, but you cannot make a generalizing label that says consumers are serial killers.

    Besides, by such a definition, you are a serial killer. Because you own/are using a computer.

    You are consuming and benefiting from industrial products (such as a computer), and unless you are a farmer, and grow and slaughter your own food, you are benefiting from an era of industrialized agriculture invented for urban (and sub-urban) populations.

    Do you think of yourself as a serial killer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yadav
    Two thousand years ago the planet was full of forests - millions of species thrived - their population was hundreds and thousands of times greater than what it is now.

    Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

    ....

    Technology does not save ecosystems - it is the absence of technology that saves ecosystems.

    Science, technology and industrialization lead to over-exploitation of ecosystems.

    Technology is not the saviour of ecosystems - technology is the destroyer of ecosystems.
    There's no doubt that humans are the cause of the next mass extinction. But technology isn't the only destroyer of ecosystems. The absence of technology will not necessarily save ecosystems.

    Nature naturally destroys itself. Forest fires, underwater petroleum leaks. Natural gas leaks. Rapid changes in temperature. Cloud oscillations. Shifts in polarity. Heating of oceans due to underwater volcanic activity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatnik Bob View Post

    Besides, by such a definition, you are a serial killer. Because you own/are using a computer.

    You are consuming and benefiting from industrial products (such as a computer), and unless you are a farmer, and grow and slaughter your own food, you are benefiting from an era of industrialized agriculture invented for urban (and sub-urban) populations.

    Do you think of yourself as a serial killer?

    I never claimed that I am not a part of society that is destroying the ecosystems. The topic of my article is "Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment" - and since I am living in such a society I get included automatically.

    Industrial Society is destroying ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    The per-capita destruction of environment in Industrial Society is hundreds of times/ thousands of times greater than that of pre-industrial society.

    The per-capita destruction of "animals, trees, air, water and land" in Industrial Society is hundreds of times/ thousands of times greater than that of pre-industrial society.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatnik Bob View Post
    What if the product being produced/consumed regrows - trees?
    Almost every country has been claiming its green cover is increasing.

    How can this ever be true?

    A fully grown tree is cut down in seconds/ minutes.

    It takes 20 years for a tree to grow fully.

    The rate of destruction of fully grown trees is hundreds of thousands
    of times greater than the rate of replacement of fully grown trees.

    And only a small percentage of trees that are planted survive to grow into healthy adult trees.

    And even if you manage to replace trees how are you going to replace
    the population of millions of species of animals, birds and insects
    that lived in the forest and died when the forest was cut down.

    Secondly where are you planting new trees? You can plant new trees on forest land only if forest land remains forest land.

    But this is not the case.

    We have got a very small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km.
    On this small planet two-thirds of surface area is water. Included in
    the remaining land area are deserts, rocky mountains and glaciers which
    do not support vegetation.

    If the soil is fertile and gets rain it will grow forests, trees,
    plants, vegetation by itself. This is how nature grew all the forests
    in this world.

    Before the arrival of man all the land that could grow forests had forests on it.

    Then the genius human species arrived on the scene.

    First he cut down forests for fire, then he cut down forests for
    agriculture and villages. After Industrial Revolution forests were cut
    down for towns and cities, for setting up industries/ factories, for
    mining and extraction of raw material/minerals, for railways, for road
    network.

    So once the forest is cut down the land is taken up for agriculture,
    for cattle grazing, for industry, for towns and cities, for rail and
    road network.

    So where are the new trees being planted? Where are they growing up?

    How can green cover ever increase?

    Lies, lies, lies .........blatant lies.

    The rate of destruction of forests has risen exponentially after Industrial Revolution.

    One can know the truth by looking at the satellite pictures of forests - before and after. One can compare the pictures taken 30 years ago with those taken this year.


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    Hello Sushil....you know, the Romantic poets, artists and composers were saying essentially the same things, to the extent that they could be applied to 18th/19th century industrial society, as you are saying here.

    Are you perhaps a poet or composer?



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    Quote Originally Posted by sushil_yadav View Post
    Almost every country has been claiming its green cover is increasing.

    How can this ever be true?

    A fully grown tree is cut down in seconds/ minutes.


    Yo thems trees you be speaking of fucked up my house dawg..




    FUck them trees!!!!




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    Quote Originally Posted by sushil_yadav View Post
    A fully grown tree is cut down in seconds/ minutes.

    It takes 20 years for a tree to grow fully.

    The rate of destruction of fully grown trees is hundreds of thousands
    of times greater than the rate of replacement of fully grown trees.
    This is all very true. But what is your proposed solution? You yourself are, after all, supporting this destruction to some extent.

    And even if you manage to replace trees how are you going to replace
    the population of millions of species of animals, birds and insects
    that lived in the forest and died when the forest was cut down.
    95% of all animals that have ever lived are now extinct.
    This trend existed before the arrival of humans.

    Before the arrival of man all the land that could grow forests had forests on it.
    Before the arrival of modern man, much of the world was desolate, and covered in glaciers.
    That's why we lived in Africa for so long.

    The point I'm trying to make is, the forces of nature are usually more powerful than we are.
    If the human race were to become extinct tomorrow, the Earth (and forests) would start recovering immediately. Most of the damage is completely reversible.

    The best point against humans that I have heard is our production of CO2. But Carbon's effect on the environment has been drastically inflated. For example, out of over 1000 air particles, only about 10 or 14 are carbon. And of that, much of that CO2 is due to volcanoes--which can cause the equivalent blast of multiple atom bombs.

    Most particulate matter, the matter that is causing global warmings and coolings, is actually water vapor.

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-w...-temperatures/

    Carbon content is simply not a significant factor. And it never has been, really. Talk to climatologists at NASA and they will tell you that the largest factors are water vapor, cloud oscillations, solar activity, and geothermal activity.
    http://www.drroyspencer.com/research...ural-response/

    Then the genius human species arrived on the scene.

    First he cut down forests for fire, then he cut down forests for
    agriculture and villages. After Industrial Revolution forests were cut
    down for towns and cities, for setting up industries/ factories, for
    mining and extraction of raw material/minerals, for railways, for road
    network.
    The loss of Earth's forests is a major travesty. But the Earth inflicts worse on itself, allot of the time.
    Things are often neither good nor bad. They just are.
    And the Earth will probably wipe us out if we go too far.

    The rate of destruction of forests has risen exponentially after Industrial Revolution.
    What we need to halt right now is the burning of the Amazon. Much of it isn't even being cut down for resources. It is being simply burnt away.

    Which is another point I'm trying to make here. That demand for and need for trees by humans isn't the biggest problem. The biggest problem is just the needless and mindless destruction of trees, like in the Amazon.

    Those trees go up in smoke, they don't get used in paper or furniture. And that is the fault of human negligence, stupidity, and selfishness, not the human demand for resources.

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    Yo thems trees you be speaking of fucked up my house dawg..
    Why do you live in a church?
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