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    Wormwood the Meteor of Revelation.

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    I was not sure if i should post this in the religion section or this section. But seeing that this section has the Biblical Armageddon in it's name i guess this is an appropriate area to post this post.

    I believe the major cause of most of the signs that are revealed in the Last book of the Bible, The Book of Revelation, will be caused by a meteor strike and that this meteor will land in the sea.


    The Meteor:
    Revelation 8
    8 Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. 9And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

    John called it like a great mountain burning with fire. John knew what a mountain was so if it was a mountain then John would have described it as such. But John says it was like a great burning mountain. A perfect first century mans description of a mayor meteor strike on earth landing somewhere in the sea.

    So we move onto the very next verse:

    Revelation 8
    11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.

    So the Burning Mountain that is being cast into the sea is described as a star. Of course this clearly reveals that the origin of the burning mountain is from the sky from space. John would have known "falling stars" and His linking of the two is His way to add more revelation to the message.

    We are told by researchers that a mayor Meteor impact on earth would cause a massive explosion upon earths surface to the extent of causing large amounts of debris being ejected into the upper atmosphere and even into lower earth orbit. Much of this debris once again enters back into the planets atmosphere causing a massive meteorite shower. Lets go back to the Book of Revelation and read the signs where John reveals uncanny similar scene.

    Revelation 6
    13And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

    To the eyes of a first century man the massive meteor debris shower would indeed look like all the stars where falling from the sky. Note John describes the meteorite shower and likens it to all the figs falling together at one time off a fig tree late in the season when it is suddenly shaken violently. Also He describes the sky receding like a scroll. From the ground the massive amounts of debris from the impact zone would quickly fill the sky and the sky would recede into darkness like a scroll being rolled out above the world blocking out the sun.


    Researchers say that an incoming debris meteorite shower will have the effect of causing a great build up of heat and massive flash fires over vast areas, in cases of a massive meteor strike they claim that all the worlds surface vegetation would be burnt up. But John indicates that only a third of earth will suffer this kind of destruction. So with that in mind lets continue with the next verse from the book of Revelation

    Revelation 8
    7The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

    So a third of all trees and grass are burned up by this shower of fire. I will now take the liberty of adding a clearer supporting verse that is in the Gospels:

    Luke 17
    29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

    Jesus states that upon His second coming the world will experience a rain for fire and brimstone aligning well with what John gives in the book of Revelation.

    Researchers say that a much fine dust in the earths atmosphere would cause the blocking out of the sunlight. And in very large impacts total darkness. But John describes a one third darkening of the sky, He writes:

    Revelation 8
    12Then the fourth angel sounded: And a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day did not shine, and likewise the night.

    And again He describes more effects of this darkening.

    Revelation 6
    12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.

    One of the reasons given by researchers for the moon appearing to have a red colour is:

    Quote taken from http://www.universetoday.com/19969/red-moon/
    Quote:
    The second reason for a red moon is if there’s some kind of particle in the air. A forest fire or volcanic eruption can fill the air with tiny particles that partially obscure light from the Sun and Moon. Once again, these particles tend to scatter blue and green light away, while permitting red light to pass through more easily. When you see a red moon, high up in the sky, it’s probably because there’s a large amount of dust in the air.


    Now i will backtrack a bit to other signs revealed by John in the above scriptures.

    Revelation 6
    13And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

    Researchers say that a Massive shockwave would travel not only through the air but also through the crust of the earth. This shockwave would be experienced as a major earthquake. In fact John describes this earthquake as the biggest earthquake mankind will ever experience, He states:

    Revelation 16
    18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.

    I will again take the liberty of going back to the OT to a verse describing the happenings at the time of the Messiah Jesus return:

    Zechariah 14
    4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.

    The book of Revelation has multiple verse speaking of earthquakes. It may be that the aftershock earthquakes will be very great also after such a massive earthquake caused by the Meteor impact.

    Ok i will once again backtrack to a verse already given that gives another sign. One that also aligns with the latest conclusion of researchers on the effects of a meteor impact upon earth.

    Revelation 8
    11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.

    Here John states that the burning mountain/falling star would cause the Waters to be poisoned and many men would die from the water. One of the effects of a meteor strike given by researchers is acid rain over large areas causing massive poisoning. This poisoning they claim will be caused by nitric and nitrous acids. The link below is the source of this information quoted below.

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    http://www.astronomynotes.com/solfluf/s5.htm

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    The heat from the shock wave of the entering asteroid and reprocessing of the air close to the impact produces nitric and nitrous acids over the next few months to one year. The chemical reaction chain is: 1. N2 + O2 ‚> NO (molecular nitrogen combined with molecular oxygen produces nitrogen monoxide) 2. 2NO + O2 ‚> 2NO2 (two nitrogen monoxide molecules combined with one oxygen molecule produces two nitrogen dioxide molecules) 3. NO2 is converted to nitric and nitrous acids when it is mixed with water. These are really nasty acids. They will wash out of the air when it rains---a worldwide deluge of acid rain with damaging effects:

    So these acids will be produced in large quantities and will wash out of the atmosphere when it rains causing massive contamination of water supplies. and many men will die because they have no other alternative but to drink the contaminated water.


    Researchers also state that the longer term effects of a meteor strike is a rapid "greenhouse effect" heating, some also speculate that the ozone layer may suffer damage during a meteor collision causing more UV radiation hitting the surface. John also gives a sign that is in alignment with these theories.

    Revelation 16
    9 And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues; and they did not repent and give Him glory.

    So there you have it. The parallels are striking between what researchers have stated about the effects of a meteor strike on the earth surface and what John describes in the Book of Revelation. From this i can only conclude that a Meteor will be the main instrument bringing about many of the signs revealed in the Book of Revelation.



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    I'll move this to religion, its pretty much biblical in nature. Cool with you Adstar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC View Post
    I'll move this to religion, its pretty much biblical in nature. Cool with you Adstar?
    No worries. Seems like a lot of people visit the religion section anyway. So maybe more will see it there thanks TC.


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    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Chernobyl meltdown was the mention of wormwood. The reason the (then) USSR panicked was because below the reactors was a nice big splash of ground water.

    If the molten cores had hit that water table, Russia would have to deal with a 50 megaton nuke going of in its backyard. So, you're wrong here. Russia sent lots of workers (millions iirc) in to fix that problem (each could only work anywhere from 6 to 15 minutes, depending on the location).

    You should watch a documentary on the topic. It'll be an eye opener for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzion View Post
    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Chernobyl meltdown was the mention of wormwood. The reason the (then) USSR panicked was because below the reactors was a nice big splash of ground water.

    If the molten cores had hit that water table, Russia would have to deal with a 50 megaton nuke going of in its backyard. So, you're wrong here. Russia sent lots of workers (millions iirc) in to fix that problem (each could only work anywhere from 6 to 15 minutes, depending on the location).

    You should watch a documentary on the topic. It'll be an eye opener for you.
    Your user name is app Confuzion... actually it should be idiot for saying that a melting core would create a 50 megaton nuclear explosion if it contacts water. If this documentary you watched told you that I would question everything it said.

    The only thing that's more bullshit is this trying make match some prophecy LMFAO
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    Adstar, if you continue to make sense I'm going to have to take you off the crazy list. Revelation is one of the few credible books of the bible despite it's abundance of metaphor. A large meteor strike in an ocean basin would snuff out civilization as most of the major cities are coastal. The extent of the damage would depend on which hemisphere it hit. There are fewer big population cities in the southern hemisphere than the north but substantial damage would be done and you could basically call modern civilization done. As for Jesus coming back, that's not going to happen, that guy, the Jewish carpenter/king has been dead for 2000 years but I can certainly see a repeating cycle of disasters that occurs every 12-24,000 years that is predictable. If you want to call that; The return of Jesus, or Nibiru, wormwood, it's ok by me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    I believe the major cause of most of the signs that are revealed in the Last book of the Bible, The Book of Revelation, will be caused by a meteor strike and that this meteor will land in the sea.
    That is only one sign and it fits in with many other signs. You are right in picking the trumps as events that unfold as literal events. however you should also incorporate the info given in the seals as they are prophecies about the trumps.

    The Meteor:
    Revelation 8
    8 Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. 9And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

    John called it like a great mountain burning with fire. John knew what a mountain was so if it was a mountain then John would have described it as such. But John says it was like a great burning mountain. A perfect first century mans description of a mayor meteor strike on earth landing somewhere in the sea.
    I'm not sure why you missed a few trumps but it is useful to start even before any trumps sound. The first event after the vision of the seals is another vision in which Jesus gathers coals from the alter, the same alter that is where the prayers of the saints rise as vapors. Tossing the coals to earth is how the 144,000 get sealed, it would be something like when Saul was struck down by Jesus. One way to determine how long the trumps will take is to look at other passages. The two witnesses are given 1260 days to preach and at the end of that time the Beast from the Pit kills them. That same Beast is initially given a time limit of 42 months, that is also equal to 1260 days. The Beast kills the two and it rules Jerusalem in the 3 1/2 days that they lay dead in the streets. The 7th trump sounds on the day they are resurrected, that day of resurrection marks the end of the Beast's 42 months. Doing the math if they both are given the same length of time and one period extends 3 1/2 days past the end of the other then the first one to start must start 3 1/2 days before that latter period starts. The Beast's 42 months starts at the sound of the 5th trump and it is over by the time the 7th trump starts. 3 1/2 days is long enough for the first 4 trumps to sound.

    So we move onto the very next verse:

    Revelation 8
    11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.

    So the Burning Mountain that is being cast into the sea is described as a star. Of course this clearly reveals that the origin of the burning mountain is from the sky from space. John would have known "falling stars" and His linking of the two is His way to add more revelation to the message.
    That is the last ingredient and the deaths caused will happen over the next 3 1/2 years. The first 4 trumps aren't even considered to be woes on mankind.

    Re:8:13:
    And I beheld,
    and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
    saying with a loud voice,
    Woe,
    woe,
    woe,
    to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
    which are yet to sound!

    We are told by researchers that a mayor Meteor impact on earth would cause a massive explosion upon earths surface to the extent of causing large amounts of debris being ejected into the upper atmosphere and even into lower earth orbit. Much of this debris once again enters back into the planets atmosphere causing a massive meteorite shower. Lets go back to the Book of Revelation and read the signs where John reveals uncanny similar scene.
    The 4th trump comes after many things happen in just a few days.

    Revelation 6
    13And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

    To the eyes of a first century man the massive meteor debris shower would indeed look like all the stars where falling from the sky. Note John describes the meteorite shower and likens it to all the figs falling together at one time off a fig tree late in the season when it is suddenly shaken violently. Also He describes the sky receding like a scroll. From the ground the massive amounts of debris from the impact zone would quickly fill the sky and the sky would recede into darkness like a scroll being rolled out above the world blocking out the sun.
    Now you are jumping back to a prophecy and the prophecy if related to the 7th trump, the ones you wand is before that. Seal 1 is God starting the day rolling in that the prophecies about Jesus's return begin to unfold. Seal one is meshed to the verses about the coals being tossed to the earth. Seal 2 and 3 related to the first 4 trumps, in combination they will introduce Martial law (red sword where the governments use the sword against the very people it was given to to protect, Romans 13)
    That doesn't mean the prophecies don't come in with a 'bang'. Before the first trump sounds the 144,000 are sealed from suffering physical harm. Along with them are some Gentiles that would fit the nicer parts of the 7 letters. The final number is not reached until the 7th trump sounds and then the Church is judged, 1/3 are found worthy to not be killed so they enter the 1,000 years as 'special' as everybody else has to be resurrected. If you follow all the verses about the mark it points to worship being included as well as bowing down to the 'power'. During the 3 1/2 years Satan is given they start off with possession of 1/4 of the earth (on a globe that is all the land areas and none of the blue part) and 10 kingdoms are established that align themselves to the Beast from the Pit as far as being able to make war against them, since that deal is made within one hour it is a 'paper transfer' and no actual battles take place in a prophecy, exactly like no events unfolded in Daniel 2 where the metal statue is revealed. That statue turns out to be a prophecy that is covered in other chapters in Daniel. The head is Neb and he has a chapter, the silver is two kings and they have a chapter and their names are even given. The brass starts out with Alex and ends with Rome. When the brass gives up power (Rome got it in Luke:21:20 as they were the power when the time of the Gentiles started, the last 3 1/2 years of that time period is the same time as the two witness in Re:11. Satan has control of the world for 3 1/2 years, Jerusalem is under the control of the two witnesses and they are all of Jesus's power during that time period. Any events outside are still directed by them but the mechanism is the earth doing things that foil Satan and let a 'believer' escape being killed or taken', like a better mouse-trap in that 10 events that sequence each other and increase in strength that results in their escape. Point is there are is no such thing as a 'Christian Army' inthat time, if you have a sword in your hand on the day the 7th trump sounds you die and go to hell for a full 1,000 years, be alive and not be part of that crowd means you are in the smaller group and you will be alive after the effects of the 7th trump are finished. It is all 7 vials being poured out in about 3 1/2 hours starting as soon as the two witness reach the clouds, about 1500ft on a dark and gloomy day.

    Re:15:1:
    And I saw another sign in heaven,
    great and marvellous,
    seven angels having the seven last plagues;
    for in them is filled up the wrath of God.


    Re:15:2: And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

    Researchers say that an incoming debris meteorite shower will have the effect of causing a great build up of heat and massive flash fires over vast areas, in cases of a massive meteor strike they claim that all the worlds surface vegetation would be burnt up. But John indicates that only a third of earth will suffer this kind of destruction. So with that in mind lets continue with the next verse from the book of Revelation
    To get the most info you should look at the prophecy first. Seal one is past when the trumps start, seal one is God and the Holy Spirit and the riding means 'that unknown day starts, or at least the prophecies start to unfuld that result in His return in the clouds.

    Isa:49:2:
    And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
    in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
    and made me a polished shaft;
    in his quiver hath he hid me;

    Christ starts it off with the coals verses, it shouild be the period of time in which the 144,000 are 'sealed' as they are before trump 1 can sound. Daniel 12 has a verse in it that mentions 1335 days and if you come to that day you are blessed/saved. Most try and add it to the end of the 1260 days prophecy, if they put the 1335th day as being the same day as the end of the 1269 days (7th trump and His return in that all the sinners are dead after a few hours and everybody destined to be alive for the 1,000 years is alive by what would be evening of that same day. The extra verses not posted below are well worth reading also, if you want the convincing argument.

    Re:6:3:
    And when he had opened the second seal,
    I heard the second beast say,
    Come and see.
    Re:6:4:
    And there went out another horse that was red:
    and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth,
    and that they should kill one another:
    and there was given unto him a great sword.
    Re:6:5:
    And when he had opened the third seal,
    I heard the third beast say,
    Come and see.
    And I beheld,
    and lo a black horse;
    and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
    Re:6:6:
    And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say,
    A measure of wheat for a penny,
    and three measures of barley for a penny;
    and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

    Revelation 8
    7The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

    So a third of all trees and grass are burned up by this shower of fire. I will now take the liberty of adding a clearer supporting verse that is in the Gospels:
    This should be the first sign of the end coming, this should be the first day the two witness start their time and the sealing of the 144,000 is complete. The first 4 trumps should happen in very rapid succession, trump two does not wait until trump one is finished, it waits until trump 1 sounds and then the next 3 trumps (4 in all) have sound within a few days) in that same few days the two seals have been fulfilled, the red sword is the evil version of what Jesus left to the Government of the Nations in Romans 13) The evil shepherds in Jeremiah 25 are leaders of the nations there, same judgments Matthew 25 covers in the sheep/goat separation. The chapter the verses come from is one passage so you know the drill , read it to verify it says the same thing to you. (I've run out of arguments against this version, maybe you have something I missed)

    Jer:25:26:
    And all the kings of the north,
    far and near,
    one with another,
    and all the kingdoms of the world,
    which are upon the face of the earth:
    and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

    Jer:25:33:
    And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
    they shall not be lamented,
    neither gathered,
    nor buried;
    they shall be dung upon the ground.

    That is who the red sword is and the 10 leaders cannot be 'pre-picked' but combined they are the commercial, political, religion powers of the world. It has been suggested that since they are horns it could be 10 languages that each have a human leader that is in league with an angelic being (8th king).

    Re:17:12:
    And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
    which have received no kingdom as yet;
    but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

    Luke 17
    29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

    Jesus states that upon His second coming the world will experience a rain for fire and brimstone aligning well with what John gives in the book of Revelation.
    This part is associated with the 7th trump, the first 4 bring in the red sword (Martial law) and control of the food (balance) with food under control of Satan's mark, or what will be the mark on the day Jesus retirns. The way that people will buy and sell things is part of the mark, buying and selling is merchants, buying and using is consumer so buying stuff isn't going to get you into hell by itself. The worship part need a throne in a holy place in Jerusalem. During the witness of the two it would be impossible, once the Beast kills them Satan has control for 3 1/2 days. They can throw up some 'tents' quickly but the throne would have to be pre-built and brought there. The image in Re:13 fits that and the abomination in the Gospels and in Daniel 11 are the same reference, when you see something in Judea standing where it should not be the book it cause the next event is worse than the last few years combined. The 7th trump is called the 3rd woe (trumps 5 and 6 being the other two woes in full). The 7 vials in Re:11 are poured out in a few hours. the last one is where the splitting happens that results in the new valley in Eze:47 that is 2 miles wides approx.

    Re:16:17:
    And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
    and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven,
    from the throne, saying,
    It is done.
    Re:16:18:
    And there were voices,
    and thunders,
    and lightnings;
    and there was a great earthquake,
    such as was not since men were upon the earth,
    so mighty an earthquake,
    and so great.
    Re:16:19:
    And the great city was divided into three parts,
    and the cities of the nations fell:
    and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
    to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    Zec:14:3:
    Then shall the LORD go forth,
    and fight against those nations,
    as when he fought in the day of battle.
    Zec:14:4:
    And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
    which is before Jerusalem on the east,
    and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west,
    and there shall be a very great valley;
    and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north,
    and half of it toward the south.

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    Researchers say that a much fine dust in the earths atmosphere would cause the blocking out of the sunlight. And in very large impacts total darkness. But John describes a one third darkening of the sky, He writes:
    That is the first ftump, the 7th trumps unleashes the 7 vial and thise are even worse than trumps 1 to 4. 1/3 of sea life dies in the first trumps, all oceanic life dies on the day the 7th trump sound, the blood of a dead-man is solid, the remanant of the Gentiles that are left alive will walk to jerusalem, seeing a lot of destruction along the way, the OT verses have 'hiss' in a key verse to find the right passages.

    Re:16:3:
    And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea;
    and it became as the blood of a dead man:
    and every living soul died in the sea.

    Read all of Zephaniah (short) it covers the 7th trump and the 7 vials and how that one single day goes, there are lots of other passages that apply but it will show that God only calls the 5th, 6th and 7th trumps woes on the inhaitants of the earth. The vial are swift and short.

    Re:18:8:
    Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
    death,
    and mourning,
    and famine;
    and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
    for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

    Zec:14:7:
    But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD,
    not day,
    nor night:
    but it shall come to pass,
    that at evening time it shall be light.

    Revelation 8
    12Then the fourth angel sounded: And a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day did not shine, and likewise the night.

    And again He describes more effects of this darkening.
    Say this was on the 3rd day after the first trump sounded, would it be sensible to see this as the cummulation that would set up the public to accept martial law and have the miliraty secure all monet and food and protect only those consudere to be 'merchants and above' (a stockholder wi\ould be a merchant but it has to include selling as well as buying. Worship is part of the 'conditions' of the mark, worship can't be offered until they are in Jerusalen sitting on a throne and claiming to be God. That is when worship can be demanded. A 'false throne' is mocking the Holy Sporit because in Heaven and in New Jerusalem the Holy Spirit is the throne.

    Revelation 6
    12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.

    One of the reasons given by researchers for the moon appearing to have a red colour is:

    Quote taken from http://www.universetoday.com/19969/red-moon/
    Quote:
    The second reason for a red moon is if there’s some kind of particle in the air. A forest fire or volcanic eruption can fill the air with tiny particles that partially obscure light from the Sun and Moon. Once again, these particles tend to scatter blue and green light away, while permitting red light to pass through more easily. When you see a red moon, high up in the sky, it’s probably because there’s a large amount of dust in the air.
    6th seal is related to the 7th trump, in Satan's tribulation of before the sun is red, in the 7th trump it is black, the kingdom of God would appear as a bright white light behind our sun, so bright the sun woiuld look like a black dot. If passing the galactic center had a simolar effect it would approach the center and see the 'black dust' , no big deal but try watching a searchlight come around, easy to look except for ne brie instant and in that instant the flashihght you had at armslength and pointed at you wouild appear black. The fact thatyou would never see again should not be lost on you in that in this year we do cross that centerline. Blind people die. Anyway tou get the idea about the black sun compared to one that is 1/3 as bright.

    Now i will backtrack a bit to other signs revealed by John in the above scriptures.

    Revelation 6
    13And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

    Researchers say that a Massive shockwave would travel not only through the air but also through the crust of the earth. This shockwave would be experienced as a major earthquake. In fact John describes this earthquake as the biggest earthquake mankind will ever experience, He states:
    Again that is the 7th trump stuff. It would be Satan's temple in his Babylon (what we know as Jerusalem but during just the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses lay dead in the street) just moments before Jesus appears overhead and calls the two witnesses to come alive and ascent to where He is. Picture a low dark dark cloud cover and 8 giant fingers pierce the ckouds and move apart in a tearing motion and a 'What's going on here?' type of voice come out, much as in the verse below as it happens once Satan' babylon is 'under attack', and hour later it in full ruin.

    Re:18:4-11:
    And I heard another voice from heaven,
    saying,
    Come out of her,
    my people,
    that ye be not partakers of her sins,
    and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    For her sins have reached unto heaven,
    and God hath remembered her iniquities.
    Reward her even as she rewarded you,
    and double unto her double according to her works:
    in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
    How much she hath glorified herself,
    and lived deliciously,
    so much torment and sorrow give her:
    for she saith in her heart,
    I sit a queen,
    and am no widow,
    and shall see no sorrow.
    Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
    death,
    and mourning,
    and famine;
    and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
    for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
    And the kings of the earth,
    who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her,
    shall bewail her,
    and lament for her,
    when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
    Standing afar off for the fear of her torment,
    saying,
    Alas,
    alas,
    that great city Babylon,
    that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
    And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her;
    for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

    Revelation 16
    18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.

    I will again take the liberty of going back to the OT to a verse describing the happenings at the time of the Messiah Jesus return:
    Already covered above, the quake creates the valley in Eze:47, the 'house' the water comes from is this one, the house of prayer that is the Tabetnacle for the 1,000 years, Jesus builds it and men decorate it.

    Zec:6:12:
    And speak unto him,
    saying,
    Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts,
    saying,
    Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH;
    and he shall grow up out of his place,
    and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
    Zec:6:13:
    Even he shall build the temple of the LORD;
    and he shall bear the glory,
    and shall sit and rule upon his throne;
    and he shall be a priest upon his throne:
    and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.


    Zechariah 14
    4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.

    The book of Revelation has multiple verse speaking of earthquakes. It may be that the aftershock earthquakes will be very great also after such a massive earthquake caused by the Meteor impact.
    From Jesus ariving.

    Ok i will once again backtrack to a verse already given that gives another sign. One that also aligns with the latest conclusion of researchers on the effects of a meteor impact upon earth.
    I would the verse below is enough to put the world under Martial Law, just a few days later angelic beings exist and life like it was before the flood takes over. Rather than a single thud like in the 5th trump this would seem to be a shower which causes many fires but no serious impact damage

    Re:8:7:
    The first angel sounded,
    and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood,
    and they were cast upon the earth:
    and the third part of trees was burnt up,
    and all green grass was burnt up.

    Revelation 8
    11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.

    Here John states that the burning mountain/falling star would cause the Waters to be poisoned and many men would die from the water. One of the effects of a meteor strike given by researchers is acid rain over large areas causing massive poisoning. This poisoning they claim will be caused by nitric and nitrous acids. The link below is the source of this information quoted below.

    Quote sourced from:
    http://www.astronomynotes.com/solfluf/s5.htm
    It could take the next 3 years to tally up the many that die from water that is unfit to drink after that low impact material came in. Snowballs coming in slow would not explode or melt, they would land as ice and then melt into lakes and rivers.

    So these acids will be produced in large quantities and will wash out of the atmosphere when it rains causing massive contamination of water supplies. and many men will die because they have no other alternative but to drink the contaminated water.
    Agree with the last part, it would be enough to drive people to centers that Satan controlled for clean water. (Protected people would have the two witnesses fix their water all the way from Jerusalem via a prayer)

    Researchers also state that the longer term effects of a meteor strike is a rapid "greenhouse effect" heating, some also speculate that the ozone layer may suffer damage during a meteor collision causing more UV radiation hitting the surface. John also gives a sign that is in alignment with these theories.
    Things have to move along quite quickly in the trumps, the 5th and 6th take 3 1/2 years, as I said earlier, the first 4 might be done in a few days.

    Revelation 16
    9 And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues; and they did not repent and give Him glory.

    So there you have it. The parallels are striking between what researchers have stated about the effects of a meteor strike on the earth surface and what John describes in the Book of Revelation. From this i can only conclude that a Meteor will be the main instrument bringing about many of the signs revealed in the Book of Revelation.
    Part of the 3rd woe (7th trump)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzion View Post
    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Chernobyl meltdown was the mention of wormwood. The reason the (then) USSR panicked was because below the reactors was a nice big splash of ground water.

    If the molten cores had hit that water table, Russia would have to deal with a 50 megaton nuke going of in its backyard. So, you're wrong here. Russia sent lots of workers (millions iirc) in to fix that problem (each could only work anywhere from 6 to 15 minutes, depending on the location).

    You should watch a documentary on the topic. It'll be an eye opener for you.
    Yes i know about Chernobyl and i know what happened there. But it did not fulfill the prophecy. Therefore it was close but as the song goes. No cigar.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Adstar, if you continue to make sense I'm going to have to take you off the crazy list. Revelation is one of the few credible books of the bible despite it's abundance of metaphor. A large meteor strike in an ocean basin would snuff out civilization as most of the major cities are coastal.
    Not if the impact site is in the Mediterranean sea.

    The extent of the damage would depend on which hemisphere it hit. There are fewer big population cities in the southern hemisphere than the north but substantial damage would be done and you could basically call modern civilization done.
    Well the Book of Matthew states that if God did not intervene to bring about an end to this disasters effect then no flesh would survive.

    Matthew 24
    21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.



    As for Jesus coming back, that's not going to happen, that guy, the Jewish carpenter/king has been dead for 2000 years but I can certainly see a repeating cycle of disasters that occurs every 12-24,000 years that is predictable. If you want to call that; The return of Jesus, or Nibiru, wormwood, it's ok by me.
    Wasn't Nibiru supposed to pass us is 2011? or was that elenin. I guess you got to have a few wolf wolf calls before the real one strikes. My money is on Apophis and the year 2029. Oh As A christian i am going to disagree with you on your position on Jesus. But hey that's to be expected.


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    Or the Dead Sea or the Sea of Galalie, if only we had some way to know what God has considered the sea to be back when the prophecies were written, like in a book or some other form of written material.

    If everyone is using a day for a year type of mentality then shortening a day to, well ..... one day instrad of one year would be 'helping' Say the first 4 trumps are supposed to be 3 1/2 of 'something related to time'. Change that to days and most eveybody would survive the 4 trumps, make that longer, 3 1/2 years and nobody would be alive to suffer what is considered to be a 'woe', let alone two wher the 2nd one sees 1/3 of mankind being killed in just over 3 years. Compared to 3 1/2 of the previous trumps that would be a relief from tribulation. Maybe the Canary Island will let go rather than an dino asteroid event happening cause if that happens we can all pack it in cause nobody will be alive 3 years down the road let alone looking up and expecting to see something 'nice coming down'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    Yes i know about Chernobyl and i know what happened there. But it did not fulfill the prophecy. Therefore it was close but as the song goes. No cigar.
    Another saying goes close only counts in horse-shoes (the game) and hand grenades (not a game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    As for Jesus coming back, that's not going to happen, that guy, the Jewish carpenter/king has been dead for 2000 years but I can certainly see a repeating cycle of disasters that occurs every 12-24,000 years that is predictable. If you want to call that; The return of Jesus, or Nibiru, wormwood, it's ok by me.
    Perhaps they didn't survive the trip through the last time we did the crossing, struck blind or something just as simple and 20,000 years later our history is the recovers of a few stragglers that managed to escape. (with no memory of anything going wrong, just some odd looking 'writings' taht tell a tale of some kind of light ........... that can make our sun appear to be black. lol history really does repeat itself

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    Wormwood Asteroid Apophis.

    Due Date 2029 Friday the 13th of April.

    The Asteroid Apophis was detected in 2004 and given the highest impact probability on the Torino scale of any Asteriod up to that time. But we are now told the official line that Apophis will not strike the earth in 2029 but that it will be a near miss. We are told that the danger is now that Apophis may go through what is called a gravity window that will alter it's orbit around the sun and cause it to come back and Hit the earth 7 years later on the Friday the 13th of April 2036. I do not believe the official line.

    I believe however that this line was taken to justify them plowing money and resources into Apophis deflection missions and strategies. While it is clear that mankind has the technology to deflect Apophis and prevent the impact, i believe that there will be no active space agencies in effective operation when the time comes to actually launch a mission. The economic collapse and disastrous wars that are soon to come will cause these agencies to be shut down and or destroyed. In the desperate future all resources will go to the struggle for survival.


    The main reason why they cannot be completely accurate in their prediction is that they do not know if Apophis has a rotation, They assure everyone that it will not hit earth in 2029. But i believe they cannot confident of this because they do not know if Apophis has a rotation that is Prograde or Retrograde. The direction of spin on a meteor affects it's orbit. If the rotation is Prograde it will tend to maintain its orbit or start to increase its orbit but if the spin is Retrograde it will cause its orbit to diminish.

    from http://www.universetoday.com
    Heating of an asteroid's surface by the Sun causes thermal radiation. The nett cumulative momentum of that radiation is from surfaces that have just turned out of the Sun's light (i.e. 'dusk'). In asteroids with prograde spin, this will push the asteroid into a higher orbit - i.e. further away from the Sun. But, for asteroids with retrograde rotation, the orbit decays - i.e. towards the Sun.
    We are now being told that they will use radar astronomy to gain a more accurate fix on the position of Apophis at the next best time in 2013. It will be interesting to see if we get any information at this time. This being 2012 maybe this year will see the start of WW 3, so maybe next year that will be the last thing people will be concerned with.

    Calculations on the size of Apophis range from 200meters to 400 meters dia. This leads many scientists to state that under impact simulation software Apophis would cause great damage to an area the size of texas but would not cause the kind of destruction revealed in the book of Revelation. Problem is these simulations are based on an impact on "standard surface" It does not take a scientist to comprehend that there would be a dramatic difference between impact outcomes between an impact on the lets say the amazon delta and an impact of Yellowstone national park caldera. Can you imagine what would happen if a meteor punched a gaping hole in Yellowstone and caused the instantaneous release of the massive magma chamber below it?

    Yellowstone is not the only Mega volcano in this world. There are ones in places like Indonesia, in Russia and there is one in the Eastern Mediterranean by the name of Thera. But you will not see this name on a map, what you will see is an island called Santorini this is just the tip of a huge volcano.


    Jesus + 2000 Years.

    I believe that God has a 7000 year plan. Each 1000 years representing a day in a week. The last day the 7th day or 7th millennium will be a Sabbath, a 1000 years rest. Jesus will reign on earth for 1000 years with his saints. The impact of the meteor is one of the signs that comes just before the return of the Messiah. Jesus death and resurrection i believe marked to end of the 4th day or 4000 year. Jesus was executed on the day of Passover Wednesday April the 3rd in the year 30 AD.

    30 + 2000 = 2030. So Apophis hitting earth in 2029 fits in well with a second coming of the Messiah Jesus.



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    Actually it was a Thursday the day before Passover.

    Thursday= day 1
    Friday = Passover day 2
    Saturday= regular Sabbath day 3 in the grave

    You did get the year right (more than 14 days after the spring equinox and a full moon landing on a day before a regular Sabbath)
    The USGS Naval Observatory has data on full moons going that far back

    This link has something to do with your post. If the day is supposed to be unknown then this kind od blows that part.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/9111608/Asteroid-heads-towards-Earth-with-one-in-625-chance-of-hitting-planet.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHz View Post
    Actually it was a Thursday the day before Passover.

    Thursday= day 1
    Friday = Passover day 2
    Saturday= regular Sabbath day 3 in the grave

    You did get the year right (more than 14 days after the spring equinox and a full moon landing on a day before a regular Sabbath)
    The USGS Naval Observatory has data on full moons going that far back

    This link has something to do with your post. If the day is supposed to be unknown then this kind od blows that part.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/9111608/Asteroid-heads-towards-Earth-with-one-in-625-chance-of-hitting-planet.html
    Do you know that the Biblical Day starts at sundown and ends at sundown. The Passover was on the 14th, Jesus and his disciples followed the correct Passover by having their Passover meal (the last supper) just after sundown Tuesday which was the start of the 14th. In the original 14th passover in Egypt the Hebrews where told to fully consume the lamb after they covered their house door with the blood of the Lamb so that they would be saved on the Night of the 14th day. And that is what Jesus and His followers did. The Jews of Jesus day where following faulty traditions of men. They had adopted the gentile custom belief that the day started at sunrise. In fact they still do not celebrate the Passover at the right time.

    Jesus ate the passover meal On the passover and was executed before sundown came at the end of the same Biblical day.

    Day one in the Tomb 15th nisan Wednesday Sunset to Thursday Sunset.
    Day two in the tomb 16th nisan Thursday Sunset to Friday Sunset.
    Day three in the Tomb 17th nisan Friday Sunset to Saturday Sunset. Jesus is risen from the dead at the end of the Sabbath and the start of the First day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    Do you know that the Biblical Day starts at sundown and ends at sundown.
    Yes I am aware of that

    The Passover was on the 14th, Jesus and his disciples followed the correct Passover by having their Passover meal (the last supper) just after sundown Tuesday which was the start of the 14th.
    The meal was eaten in the evening that was the day before Passover. Jews had to kill Him before Passover actually started, it is a sabbath day, a day of zero work for everybody. Jesus died before sundown, a few hours before passover started.

    In the original 14th passover in Egypt the Hebrews where told to fully consume the lamb after they covered their house door with the blood of the Lamb so that they would be saved on the Night of the 14th day.
    Passover is the 15th. Preparations for that meal are made before sundown of that day
    And that is what Jesus and His followers did.
    Jesus arrived in Jerusalem on a Wednesday, preparations were made on that day for a meal that would take place in the evening of Wednesday, after that Jesus went to the garden where He was in prayer for most of the night Thursday morning to us), towards dawn the Temple soldiers came and arrested Him. The courts and such took place Thursday morning and by late afternoon of that day He was crucified, before evening of that day He was just put into the grave. Starting at sundown was passover (Friday), a holy day in which execution could not be arranged so the women did not came to the tomb that morning with their spices and such for the body of Jesus, nor could they come the next day (Saturday) as that was the regular weekly Sabbath. The first day after the cross that they could finish the burial rites was what we call Sunday morning.

    The Jews of Jesus day where following faulty traditions of men. They had adopted the gentile custom belief that the day started at sunrise.
    The only way they could mess up passover is to hold it on the first full moon after the spring equinox where no new moon was first sighted. Basically within 14 days of the equinox would be a wrong date, it should be the next full moon.

    In fact they still do not celebrate the Passover at the right time.
    They did it right on the year He was crucified. I agree if passover is celebrated without a new moon existing after the Mar.21 equinox and the first full moon is selected is wrong, even today.

    Jesus ate the passover meal On the passover and was executed before sundown came at the end of the same Biblical day.
    Again Jews could not take part in the cross if it was already a Sabbath.

    Day one in the Tomb 15th nisan Wednesday Sunset to Thursday Sunset.
    Day two in the tomb 16th nisan Thursday Sunset to Friday Sunset.
    Day three in the Tomb 17th nisan Friday Sunset to Saturday Sunset. Jesus is risen from the dead at the end of the Sabbath and the start of the First day.
    Since you are saying Thursday and Friday are not Sabbaths then the women could have come on

    Are you promoting that the day Jesus entered the grave is not counted? You have it being 4 nights and 3 days, you don't have to go any further to see it doesn't fit the verses, 3 days and 3 nights, Wednesday night, Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night is 4 nights. Thursday day, Friday day and Saturday day is right for the 3 days. A few hours of being dead on the day of the cross counts as time in the grave, period. Surely you aren't going to go for 4 days and 4 nights?

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    that's what i posted a time ago , on the subject of the 3 days and nights :

    Jesus was 3 (entire) days and 3 (entire) nights in the earth

    1/ there were 3 feasts ( out of the 7 of God ) that happened on that week ,
    and that Jesus accomplished (on the basis of the Everlasting Covenant) :
    - passover
    - unleavened bread
    - first fruits (resurrection)

    2/ The feasts began at sunset

    The 3 days and 3 nights were Jesus was buried run from Wednesday sunset until Saturday sunset.

    The Wednesday (day time) does not count as one of the 3 days , because Jesus , although he had died, was not buried before the sunset [ Mark 15:42-47]

    This Wednesday sunset marked the beginning , not of the Passover , but of the Unleavened Bread feast which lasts more than one day,
    whereas Passover itself is one day

    Passover began on Tuesday sunset , and ended on Wednesday sunset

    Jesus celebrated Passover with the disciples after sunset on Tuesday and was crucified and died the same day (before Wednesday sunset)

    The Sabbat which is spoken of in the gospels , the Jewish priests were anxious that the crucified ones would die before sunset marking the beginning of the feast, was the feast of the Unleavened breads. (Leviticus 23 says that the first day of the feast of the Unleavened breads , there was a holy convocation for Israel).

    hope that helps ...

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    Adstar : interesting post on the Meteor !

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    This might be news but when you give up the Holy Ghost that is when you are dead, not some time later when you are put in a tomb.
    Where does it indicated it had to be full days?
    M't:12:40:
    For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
    so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    M'r:8:31:
    And he began to teach them,
    that the Son of man must suffer many things,
    and be rejected of the elders,
    and of the chief priests,
    and scribes,
    and be killed,
    and after three days rise again.



    Of the dates listed below the one for Mar.25 is invalid because there is no new moon between the spring equinox and and passover however it does fall on a Friday so that fits. The one for 2015 fits both conditions, more that 2 weeks after the spring equinox and on a Friday. A Jewish day in night first then the day. A few hours in the grave on Thursday is day one, he died on that day some hours before sunset and the change of the day, being the next day was a holy day was the reason for the rush to get him buried

    List of Dates

    Pesach begins at sundown in the Diaspora on:


    For the women to wait until the morning of the 4th day to anoint the body there has to be two days in a row that were holy, that only works if Passover was the day before a regular weekly Sabbath.

    Using the list below you can plot the right year once you find the full moon that is on a Friday.

    http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/phase/phases0001.html


    Joh:19:42:
    There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day;
    for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

    It took me a bit to refind this chart. Year 30 is the only possible choice and passover was on
    Fri. Apr. 7


    http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/Passover_dates.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by debonnaire View Post
    that's what i posted a time ago , on the subject of the 3 days and nights :

    Jesus was 3 (entire) days and 3 (entire) nights in the earth

    1/ there were 3 feasts ( out of the 7 of God ) that happened on that week ,
    and that Jesus accomplished (on the basis of the Everlasting Covenant) :
    - passover
    - unleavened bread
    - first fruits (resurrection)

    2/ The feasts began at sunset

    The 3 days and 3 nights were Jesus was buried run from Wednesday sunset until Saturday sunset.

    The Wednesday (day time) does not count as one of the 3 days , because Jesus , although he had died, was not buried before the sunset [ Mark 15:42-47]

    This Wednesday sunset marked the beginning , not of the Passover , but of the Unleavened Bread feast which lasts more than one day,
    whereas Passover itself is one day

    Passover began on Tuesday sunset , and ended on Wednesday sunset

    Jesus celebrated Passover with the disciples after sunset on Tuesday and was crucified and died the same day (before Wednesday sunset)

    The Sabbat which is spoken of in the gospels , the Jewish priests were anxious that the crucified ones would die before sunset marking the beginning of the feast, was the feast of the Unleavened breads. (Leviticus 23 says that the first day of the feast of the Unleavened breads , there was a holy convocation for Israel).

    hope that helps ...

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    Adstar : interesting post on the Meteor !

    Yes debonnaire you have got it right. 3 Days and 3 Nights from Wednesday sunset to Saturday Sunset. And he was alive on the day of First Fruits.

    MHz.
    The woman would not go to the tomb on thursday or friday they had to wait the 3 days because:

    Matthew 27
    62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[m] and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
    65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard.

    The Tomb of Jesus was being guarded. So the woman could not get to Jesus to tend His body. They could only hope to get to His body after the 3 days had passed for then the guards would have gone mission completed.



    Also Passover on the 14th was Followed on the 15th by High Sabbath called The feast of the Unleavened bread, This feast lasted 7 days with both the first day and the last Day being Sabbaths. Passover on the 14th was not a Sabbath. It was a preparation day for the next day Sabbath.

    Leviticus 23
    5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”

    Holy convocation's when you shall do no customary work are Sabbaths. Just the same as the weekly Sabbath.

    The weekly Sabbath:
    Leviticus 23
    3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

    So Jesus celebrated the Passover on the night of Tuesday and that was the start of the 14th day The true Passover. The Jews however had their passover meal on the 15th Wednesday night. They where holding their passover on the day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, They had compressed the two days into one because of their faulty un-Biblical thinking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MHz View Post
    This might be news but when you give up the Holy Ghost that is when you are dead, not some time later when you are put in a tomb.
    Where does it indicated it had to be full days?
    M't:12:40:
    For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
    so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    M'r:8:31:
    And he began to teach them,
    that the Son of man must suffer many things,
    and be rejected of the elders,
    and of the chief priests,
    and scribes,
    and be killed,
    and after three days rise again.



    Of the dates listed below the one for Mar.25 is invalid because there is no new moon between the spring equinox and and passover however it does fall on a Friday so that fits. The one for 2015 fits both conditions, more that 2 weeks after the spring equinox and on a Friday. A Jewish day in night first then the day. A few hours in the grave on Thursday is day one, he died on that day some hours before sunset and the change of the day, being the next day was a holy day was the reason for the rush to get him buried

    List of Dates

    Pesach begins at sundown in the Diaspora on:


    For the women to wait until the morning of the 4th day to anoint the body there has to be two days in a row that were holy, that only works if Passover was the day before a regular weekly Sabbath.

    Using the list below you can plot the right year once you find the full moon that is on a Friday.

    http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/phase/phases0001.html


    Joh:19:42:
    There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day;
    for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

    It took me a bit to refind this chart. Year 30 is the only possible choice and passover was on
    Fri. Apr. 7


    http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/Passover_dates.htm
    And all this proves is that the Jews have got it wrong. The Passover should be taken on the evening of the 14th Just as they where commanded to in the Torah.

    Leviticus 23
    5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover.

    14th day... Not 15th.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    Yes debonnaire you have got it right. 3 Days and 3 Nights from Wednesday sunset to Saturday Sunset. And he was alive on the day of First Fruits.
    Pick a year from this site that shows your version of the days of the week you promote. mine is below and 'Friday would be the sabbath starting at evening'

    http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?v=1;ye...;set=off;c=off
    Pesach / פסח

    Passover (Hebrew, Yiddish: פֶּסַח Pesach, Modern Hebrew: /ˈpesaχ/ Pesah, Pesakh, Yiddish: Peysekh, Paysakh, Paysokh) is a Jewish holiday and festival. It commemorates the story of the Exodus, in which the ancient Israelites were freed from slavery in Egypt. Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan in the Jewish calendar, which is in spring in the Northern Hemisphere, and is celebrated for seven or eight days. It is one of the most widely observed Jewish holidays.

    One of the reasons this is worth arguing this is you see being dead about 1/4 of the 'day light part of a day' doesn't qualify for time in the grave and you have Jesus being able to leave the tomb in the evening of Saturday yet He waits until Sunday morning. Under the 'get to know God' theme if He leaves Jesus out of the grave for as long as possible He is going to let Him out as soon as possible, love works like that automatically.

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    The woman would not go to the tomb on thursday or friday they had to wait the 3 days because:

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    Matthew 27[/B]
    62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[m] and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
    65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard.

    The Tomb of Jesus was being guarded. So the woman could not get to Jesus to tend His body. They could only hope to get to His body after the 3 days had passed for then the guards would have gone mission completed.
    Cute but no cigar. Read their instructions again, to guard so thieves could not come. You have to change the words drastically to get it to support your version. It's called spinning your wheels in the real world, go with the actual words, it still tells a coherent story.

    Also Passover on the 14th was Followed on the 15th by High Sabbath called The feast of the Unleavened bread, This feast lasted 7 days with both the first day and the last Day being Sabbaths. Passover on the 14th was not a Sabbath. It was a preparation day for the next day Sabbath.

    Leviticus 23
    5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”
    Using my sample calander Jesus and the others would have entered Jerusalem on the afternoon of Wednesday (13th) and evening on that day was the 14th, they ate the meal Jesus made the new covenant and spent the rest of the 'night' in the garden in prayer. Arrested at dawn and on the cross the same day and in the tomb just moments before sunset and the start of the day on no work. Thursday evening until Friday evening at which time another Sabbath of no work began, Friday evening until Saturday evening. Do I have to point out that Jesus died at 3PM and the 15th started in 3 hours from then?

    M't:27:45:
    Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
    M't:27:46:
    And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
    saying,
    Eli,
    Eli,
    lama sabachthani?
    that is to say,
    My God,
    my God,
    why hast thou forsaken me?

    M't:27:50:
    Jesus,
    when he had cried again with a loud voice,
    yielded up the ghost.


    Holy convocation's when you shall do no customary work are Sabbaths. Just the same as the weekly Sabbath.

    The weekly Sabbath:
    Leviticus 23
    3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.
    See the above point

    So Jesus celebrated the Passover on the night of Tuesday and that was the start of the 14th day The true Passover. The Jews however had their passover meal on the 15th Wednesday night. They where holding their passover on the day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, They had compressed the two days into one because of their faulty un-Biblical thinking.
    Spinning your wheels, look at the dates for 30AD, the 14th starts at Thursday evening.

    http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/Passover_dates.htm


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    Matthew 12:40:
    "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

    If Jesus was buried on Thursday , and He was buried after the night has come ( Mark 15:42-47 ) , and was already resurrected before sunday morning (John 20:1), then we have only 2 days.

    On the other hand, if he was buried on Wednesday evening , (and resurrected after the weekly Sabbath is finished) , we have 3 days and 3 nights.

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    Did He enter the grave when He gave up the Holy Ghost? If so that was 3 hours before the day changed to evening. That would make Thursday afternoon as the first day, did God count the day Jonah died as 1 day?

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    don't think we can know the details about Jonah - (if it was day or already night when he was swallowed )

    well it seems we count differently the starting point :
    you , when Jesus' body died and he gave up the spirit ,
    and i , when He was buried.

    you can be right.

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