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    Things are far from that simple..

    Take for instance Mercury and Venus.

    Venus is nearly twice as far of the sun as Mercury is. And only receives 25% of the amount of solar energy Mercury receives.
    Despise this, the temperatures of Venus can variate between 450°C and 480°C. And is still hotter than Mercury, which variates between 420°C and -220°C.

    This difference is completely the result of the greenhouse effect on Venus.
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    well, for those who like to hear from the world's climatologists ...

    A team of environmental researchers in the US has warned many effects of climate change are irreversible.

    The scientists concluded global temperatures could remain high for 1,000 years, even if carbon emissions can somehow be halted.

    Their report was sponsored by the US Department of Energy and comes as President Obama announces a review of vehicle emission standards.

    It appears in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
    link to article - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7852628.stm

    so, to all those who think what we're doing will Stop Climate Change ... or even have an effect ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lycanox View Post
    Things are far from that simple..

    Take for instance Mercury and Venus.

    Venus is nearly twice as far of the sun as Mercury is. And only receives 25% of the amount of solar energy Mercury receives.
    Despise this, the temperatures of Venus can variate between 450°C and 480°C. And is still hotter than Mercury, which variates between 420°C and -220°C.

    This difference is completely the result of the greenhouse effect on Venus.
    ok...

    i have to check this out; has to be volcanic or core activity causing such a high surface temp. Or space weather or x or y or z.

    as i've said greenhouse effect is real, we add to it. Heat comes from within too! at the moment, a hell of a lot it would seem. That would explain Venus too.

    but....

    i need an eminent scientist to corroborate!

    think about this though:

    what if: in the times where the Sun is quiet (LIKE NOW) the Earth reacts accordingly and expells heat. and, at the times where the Earth can't expell any more and the Sun is shut down too, then bingo bango: ICE AGE!

    also, we simply don't know how the Planet(s) react to Cosmic Rays. On some it could fuel storms, if the Planet in question has a protective atmosphere and magnetosphere or conversely if it doesn't it super-heats the surface.

    so i would say your answer is not that simple either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mezurashi View Post
    well, for those who like to hear from the world's climatologists ...



    link to article - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7852628.stm

    so, to all those who think what we're doing will Stop Climate Change ... or even have an effect ...
    Ms. Solomon doesn't recommend we do nothing, on the contrary, she said to AP: "Climate change is slow, but it is unstoppable" — all the more reason to act quickly, so the long-term situation doesn't get even worse."

    Susan Solomon (and also a lead scientist at the IPCC) concluded in this recent report sponsored by the DOE:

    ...if CO2 is allowed to peak at 450-600 parts per million, the results would include persistent decreases in dry-season rainfall that are comparable to the 1930s North American Dust Bowl in zones including southern Europe, northern Africa, southwestern North America, southern Africa and western Australia.
    AP article http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...rVJOQD95V4HBG0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freaked out View Post
    Ms. Solomon doesn't recommend we do nothing, on the contrary, she said to AP: "Climate change is slow, but it is unstoppable" — all the more reason to act quickly, so the long-term situation doesn't get even worse."

    Susan Solomon (and also a lead scientist at the IPCC) concluded in this recent report sponsored by the DOE:



    AP article http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...rVJOQD95V4HBG0
    no argument from me on this one -- I was just putting this out there so we 'might' hear less 'Save The Planet Stop Climate Change' rhetoric from the masses.

    my point is, as always, the Lashback when people who Thought they were' Stopping Climate Change have to wake up to the realization that we aren't Stopping Anything .. we're just trying to slow down the acceleration ...

    how many people would continue to even Try if they knew the boulder is going to fall off the cliff no matter what we do? yes I agree that we need to do Something For Ourselves -- but is it worth the potential cost of having the whole thing blow up because the masses suddenly realize they've been Lied To and that they swallowed it hook, line and sinker?

    anyway - fighting the urge to go spree shopping has become my morning exercise routine, lol
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    Saturday's high temp in Green Bay sets record for June 6
    f it seemed cold to you in Green Bay on Saturday, it was.
    The high temperature for the day, reached at 9:50 a.m., was 52. That set a record for the lowest high temperature for June 6, according to the National Weather Service office in Ashwaubenon.


    Snow falls in western ND, in June
    Snow has fallen in Dickinson in June, the first time in nearly 60 years the city has seen snow past May.
    National Weather Service meteorologist Janine Vining in Bismarck says there were unofficial reports of a couple of inches of snow in Dickinson on Saturday.

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    We however, had one of the warmest springs in on records.
    And those global cooling scientist have yet to explain why glaciers are residing worldwide.
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    We had an average spring which seems to be leading into a summer with slightly below average temperatures here in the Pacific Northwest. We saw record breaking snowfall as well this year, but fortunately the season didn't extend beyond normal.

    Last year pretty much sucked as we effectively had a winter that ran all year long with the exception of half of June, July, and the first half of August. We had two inches of snow on June 11, but it warmed up to slightly below average temperatures after that.

    My concern isn't that the world is warming, but that weather patterns will become more extreme and unpredictable.

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    It has been pretty cool and wet on the south east coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olddragon View Post
    Ummm no you guys are the ones denying there is a problem not the so called Al Gore crowd. That pic should be for you as you have your head in the ground. What you need is a "the sky is falling" pic.

    And global temperature is a trend involving the entire world over a period of years not a single event. So come back in 5 years or so and tell us its getting cooler. You sound like the local radio idiots who will say something like "Its cold today well that disproves global warming".
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximumPain View Post
    Ummm no you guys are the ones denying there is a problem not the so called Al Gore crowd. That pic should be for you as you have your head in the ground. What you need is a "the sky is falling" pic.

    And global temperature is a trend involving the entire world over a period of years not a single event. So come back in 5 years or so and tell us its getting cooler. You sound like the local radio idiots who will say something like "Its cold today well that disproves global warming".
    Just so we're clear, I acknowledge that temperatures have been cooler the past couple years and that this is likely tied to sunspots and the sun's overall temperatures, but I still very definitely believe in the science theorizing global warming. Fucking with an atmosphere that is friendly to human life is not an intelligent way of ensuring our future.

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    Singularity: My concern isn't that the world is warming, but that weather patterns will become more extreme and unpredictable.
    Well said, man.

    Its different everywhere, there are more extremes now.

    For example:
    -This winter, we had the latest and most intense snowfall on record.
    -This spring, we had the earliest and hottest temperatures ever recorded.
    (One extreme to another, very quick changes.)

    Instead of "Global Warming", it could be called: "Global Weather F&$@ing Around"

    But in my own research and belief, we will see a warming trend overall in the long run with more fires, droughts, and rising sea levels.

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    Dunno how accurate it is, but that was posted everywhere yesterday.

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    Look at the graph. You can bet your bottom dollar that earth's orbit and the solar system's orbital path is directly responsible.
    Moving closer to "hot spots" and moving away as well as the sun moving
    away and positioning itself closer to our planet as we travel through the galactic plane.
    Right now, an "unknown" mechanism or switch has been thrown on the sun. During a "magnetic pole change" something happened.
    < think it's leaking hydrogen, like a small hole in a balloon> and the
    poles did not complete their change. So, you have a sun who's
    magnetic properties are "haywire" and unusually INACTIVE.

    The sun "powers" our planet through the heat convection system.
    There has been a change in the Solar Rays to this planet.
    The core of Earth is very "heat sensative" to these changes.

    The entire stability of earths eco system is generated by the core.
    The core releases heat through vents. Volcanic, Underwater vents and
    through any means that it can. Heat rises. The core has been cooling for millions of years. It get's overheated sometimes due to the super solar and space "energy" that it receives through gas and rays..

    Heating up the atmosphere. Then this disappates and cooler air is generated. Swinging temps! But underneath, the giant furnace rages on.
    extra solar radiation being received by the core makes things heat up more. Tectonic plates glide and slide because of the heating of the
    "sticky" stuff that adheres the plate to the crust.

    GLACIERS are growing, Lycanox investigate the himalayas will ya.
    Also, refer to DRUMLINS...This is the mechanism that moves the glaciers forward.. they melt from underneath to make them more fluid for movement.

    The slow geological creep of time sometimes suddenly get's a geological /astrological bump. some stellar "situation" happens and
    then WHAM, BAM. Rapid climate change.

    The planet will protect itself at all costs.
    The sun has already powered down or had a Rapid Climate Change
    telling US that we are next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protostar View Post
    GLACIERS are growing, Lycanox investigate the himalayas will ya.
    Also, refer to DRUMLINS...This is the mechanism that moves the glaciers forward.. they melt from underneath to make them more fluid for movement.
    Proof please. All respectable sources I saw claim that they are receding. And have pictures to proof it.
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    wow the great debate still rages on I see...

    (((newsflash)))

    only time will tell folk's, the only reason any of us know about this subject at all is because "THEY" told us.

    Think about it.

    Anymore I think it's pretty funny
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    Canada frosts the most widespread in recent memory
    In Manitoba, the frost is the worst in memory for its frequency and area covered, said Derwyn Hammond, the province's senior agronomy specialist for the Canola Council.

    "Certainly (it's) the worst year I've seen," said Hammond, who has worked for the Canola Council for 15 years.
    I hate the cold

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    Quote Originally Posted by olddragon View Post
    So does Al Gore. and the ICPP, "I see pee pee" or is it the IPCC. Oh hell I can't even remember what that farce is called.
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    Last night we had ( Sweden) the coldest June temperature on record. ( 125 years ) Frigid polar air has been pressing down for the last 3 weeks, giving day temperatures of 9C and down to 3 C in the evenings with frost.

    Along with this cold air is an increase in rain for the average, and the growing season has been shortened by 3 weeks. I believe we will see this more often over the coming years, as well as an increase in the polar ice fields.

    We have been tricked by a media campaign that has created a market for so called "green" products, and this has lined the pockets for everyone connected with it,......right down from the producers to the has been politicians that started this circus to boost voter popularity.

    Someday, this joke will be viewed in the same light as a flat world.

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    One cold summer does not mean the whole world is cooling down.

    How come that when it comes to global warming, that all the evidence in the world is not enough to convince people that the world is warming.
    Yet they believe that because we have one colder year. That the world is going to cool down.

    Or is it that everybody is just picking the laziest and cheapest option.
    Guess we have to wait until another big disaster happens before the world realizes that we cant just ignore the problem. Even if it global warming isn't man made.
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    I know you've read ECIII and theres a note to you lycanox.

    We've been sharing info for years and posted links, if you don't get it by now then you wont. The bottom line is believe what you SEE
    not what you are being spoon fed.

    Green is gone. White is the new green and everybody will "get it" sooner or later because the storms will get worse and everyone will be affected.

    oh,
    and as history has "told us" we are RIPE FOR THE PANDEMIC because it'
    always preceeded the ccccold..

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    I agree Alpha, it took some mega solar cycles to heat the planet over a period of 50 years or so. Now we are seeing the reverse. Atmosphere cools, surface cools, oceans cool. Still the outer core will take some time, but like MM's post implies when the contractions come we will know.
    The heliosphere is contracting as well, while we enter interstellar G cloud which they have been telling us for years that it is more dense than the Local interstellar cloud. Within each interstellar cloud there are cloudletts and varying density pockets this they know. (may account for MM's humpy graph) But they have stated all along that our neighboring G cloud is denser.
    Back in Black..

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    Interesting to note from the graph, depending on it's accuracy, how each succeeding cold epoch appears more intense. Also WHO is meeting tomorrow to decide whether to raise the pandemic level to 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lycanox View Post
    One cold summer does not mean the whole world is cooling down.

    How come that when it comes to global warming, that all the evidence in the world is not enough to convince people that the world is warming.
    Yet they believe that because we have one colder year. That the world is going to cool down.

    Or is it that everybody is just picking the laziest and cheapest option.
    Guess we have to wait until another big disaster happens before the world realizes that we cant just ignore the problem. Even if it global warming isn't man made.

    Umm, this is the third in a row... and it broke the all time record for the coldest ( 125 years) so I wouldn't call it the "lazy" option for climate.

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    Where are these people seeing cold summers? Because from what I have seen, its been getting hotter.

    Lets find a graph here, and find out the truth once and for all..

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